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[Natty]

Hi Turkish Cypriot, I'm very sorry about what your Mother went through, It must have been very painful for her having to relive those memories....

As far as I know, during that period there were many armed groups fighting each other on both sides, some fought each other for positions only and did not involve civilians whilst others (The extremist minority) did involve civilians, and I believe that at the hands of these extremist minorities on both sides innocent Greek and Turkish Cypriots suffered. (Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I’m no expert of this period, I'm still learning myself..).

However I think that one has to remember that being the majority there will would always have been more GC extremists than TC extremists and that because of this more innocent Turkish Cypriots suffered at the hands of extremists than Greek Cypriots. You will always be able to inflict more pain on others with more men....(Although this may not be the full story, but I believe it makes up part of what happened during the inter-communal fighting period.)

I think it's when the suggestion is made that Makarios and the Goverment were somehow attempting to systematically ethnically cleanse or 'genocide' Turkish Cypriots that gets some people annoyed...

I acknowledge (and feel shame) that during that period many Turkish Cypriots suffered at the hands of some Greek Cypriots, but I cannot acknowledge that the people who were ruling the Country (All GC at that time, as far as I know..) were attempting to rid Cyprus of it's Turkish Cypriot population...it doesn't add up with many of the facts...

(I think I've come up with a new phrase, let me see if you can possible guess what it could be... )

[T_C]

Hi Turkish Cypriot, I'm very sorry about what your Mother went through, It must have been very painful for her having to relive those memories....

As far as I know, during that period there were many armed groups fighting each other on both sides, some fought each other for positions only and did not involve civilians whilst others (The extremist minority) did involve civilians, and I believe that at the hands of these extremist minorities on both sides innocent Greek and Turkish Cypriots suffered. (Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I’m no expert of this period, I'm still learning myself..).

However I think that one has to remember that being the majority there will would always have been more GC extremists than TC extremists and that because of this more innocent Turkish Cypriots suffered at the hands of extremists than Greek Cypriots. You will always be able to inflict more pain on others with more men....(Although this may not be the full story, but I believe it makes up part of what happened during the inter-communal fighting period.)

I think it's when the suggestion is made that Makarios and the Goverment were somehow attempting to systematically ethnically cleanse or 'genocide' Turkish Cypriots that gets some people annoyed...

I acknowledge (and feel shame) that during that period many Turkish Cypriots suffered at the hands of some Greek Cypriots, but I cannot acknowledge that the people who were ruling the Country (All GC at that time, as far as I know..) were attempting to rid Cyprus of it's Turkish Cypriot population...it doesn't add up with many of the facts...

(I think I've come up with a new phrase, let me see if you can possible guess what it could be... )

However I think that one has to remember that being the majority there will would always have been more GC extremists than TC extremists and that because of this more innocent Turkish Cypriots suffered at the hands of extremists than Greek Cypriots. You will always be able to inflict more pain on others with more men....(Although this may not be the full story, but I believe it makes up part of what happened during the inter-communal fighting period.) Was this your phrase Natty?

And it does make sense even if it wasn't the one. I've never really thought of it that way and I do understand what you're saying. I don't have a problem with anyone anyways. I'm quite neutural and accept that Turkish people aren't exactly angels, I'm aware of what the GCs have been through because of them, even when I get defensive sometimes I always take into consideration what is being said and I don't hold a grudge against anyone in here. I'm still learning too but I just don't know what/who to believe or trust, because both sides seem to be dodgy. Therefore I can't really evaluate anything for myself and come to a conclusion about what the best thing for Cyprus would be when theres so many lies, so much ignorance, denial and petty finger pointing from both sides . If a stranger who didn't know anything about Cyprus came on here they would be shocked to read the amount of rubbish thats posted in here

Thanks for your honest response Natty shame people on here can't post like this on a daily basis

[pitsilos]

pitsilos- you asked:

the first question here is, and according to you, if it was deemed an illegal state and a hijacked one at that, how come then to this very date is still recognized as the only legal state on the island and a fully fledged member of the EU?

Slavery, was recognized by the whole world, it was legal, it was practiced and it was promoted… until the 20th century. Simply because it served the interests of the countries that recognized it (including your fellow member EU states). Looking back at it, what does the recognition of slavery by states and governments mean to us today? So, the current resolutions do not make your case necessarily “just” especially given that you got them under the hijacked title of the “government of RoC” and in the absence of TCs. These resolutions are being reviewed by many today in the world. The Organization of the Islamic Conference with its 57 member countries (residing over 86% of world`s oil reserves) has already acknowledged TRNC as a constituent state in Cyprus. The presidents of Turkic states have presented goodwill letters to Turkey stating that they are prepared to cooperate to “full-measures” in Turkey`s struggle in Cyprus. The EU is quite tired with the GC administration`s spoiled whining, and is putting them under tremendous pressure to initiate direct trade with us. I won’t even start with Great Britain and he U.S. So, suggest you don`t get carried away

well if we were talking about slavery you example explains it very well, but we are not are we?
I asked you 2 specific questions to explain. I could also say today noone is doing anything about the invasion, because others turn a blind eye and tomorrow they might change their mind and demand it...shall we wait for them. Everyone put up and shut up from Syria and Iraq, but its amazing when interests switch sides, isn't it?

As you can see your answer didn't not address the first question i possed to you. Maybe you can have another crack at it, rather trying to hide behind irrelevant jargon.

Also in my original post I posted a second question to which you very nicely ignored.

Again here are both of my questions, second time post, see if you can address them this time.

the first question is, and according to you, if it was deemed an illegal state and a hijacked one at that, how come then to this very date is still recognized as the only legal state on the island and a fully fledged member of the EU?

the second question is, where was turkey all this time as all the resolutions were condemning her, i mean one after the other? you saying she wasn't getting legal sound advice and trying to defend her self? or she was not invited to the party at the un?

I think the bulk of the resolutions were against Turkey and not the tcs

[Pyrpolizer]

@Natty

Yes Natty you are right about Famagusta enclave. In Larnaca there were 2 enclaves. The strong one was from the castle towards the airport (not the phinikoudes street but at the end of phinikoudes street) and the other there where Orphanides in Larnaca is today extending east by about 2 km.

@ Turkish_Cypriot.

I can understand your mother my friend. All I have to do is multiply the fear from fanatics we the GCs had by 4. It depends also where your mother comes from. There were some TC villages e.g. Kofinou, Kokkina (red villages) etc that were fully packed with TC fanatics and obviously targeted by GC fanatics.

My family were peaceful people all we wanted is have relations with peaceful TC people, but even for that we were in fear.

[LENA]

@ T_C

I am sorry for all that your mum had to been through and I am glad that you have the ability to judge by your self what might be true or a lie from nationalistic people. I am not saying that is a lie for sure what your uncle might told you...but even that you have that on mind seem that you are using what your mum gave you...your brain!!!

@ Natty

Well Natty you are right...the fact that we both have mistakes in our history, and we both have people that was murder, people that suffer, people that kill their compatriots, people that make other suffer, people that lie to the rest of us etc...doesnt change the fact that we are all human beings. And I agree so much that we shouldn't generalise the fact that few people create all that...not the whole nation...but the whole nation had to been through all that madness!

Shame is what is going on at the moment...we live in the same land and we have a 33 years history or better 44 yeas old history and we still look at the past. We are stuck on those dates...we can not move on...My dream is that my generation will wake up and start changing all this facts...but to be realistic...I think that to change all that and live without any fears, any hates, any complains...we will need so much time that it will be reality only for my grandchildren!!!

@ Pyro

I hope you are not in fear any more Pyro mou!!!

[zan]

Here is a question for you zan and Vp..

Weren't TC punished or even killed by TMT if they were found to trade and have any kind relation with their GC compatriots?

Please leave the usual crap aside and answer the question. Let the everyday TC know the whole truth and not just the one that suits your propaganda cause.

I know that Pyr, however the question was directed to zan and Vp.
Still no answer though, I wonder why!

Sorry to have to work all day but you can use that against me if it suits you. Can you also keep your dog quite as he is putting me off my dinner.


Now....Back to your question. Maybe I missed something in the posts before yours and have not got the time this evening to read them all.......What period are you talking about and a little detail will see me giving you a more substantial answer. Bare in mind please that all you read last night was directed at one particular person and anyone else that tries to deny and cover up actual events. Also be patient for your answer because my parents are coming over soon and I will have to come back to you later.

I am talking about the period 1964-1974. Maybe it is a good idea to ask your father as well in case you were young during that period.
Btw I am not trying to score any points here, I am jst trying to reveal the truth about the real incentives of the TMT and all those extremist elements in the TC community. I did the same for EOKA B and it still makes me sick everytime I find out that a pesron that I meet was in fact an EOKA B member.
Btw I would advise you not to be quick to dismiss what you have been asked as propaganda.

Sorry it has taken this long to get back to you Askimwos but here goes. I said I would give you an extensive answer but I still don't quite understand what you are after. My Dad said that he did not see any activities from the TMT as you describe them but If you want an answer from me........I have no doubt that some activity of that kind went on. If you are asking me to say that I think the TMT and EOKA where the two sides of the same coin then I have to say no. There is no proof that the TTMT even came close to doing what EOKA did. If you know different then I would be glad to hear it. There is no TMT/A or /B for that matter. They did not start a coup or attempt murder on our leaders. Sorry again that I am waffling but I cannot understand when you say that TMTs' intentions was something sinister. They formed to protect Turkeys interests on the island that is well known. They formed to protect the TC interests and train the resistance. I will stop now until I hear from you as to what you mean.

[Get Real!]

@ Pyro
I hope you are not in fear any more Pyro mou!!!

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There.. there... pyro.. is that bossom soft enough for you?

[LENA]

@ Pyro
I hope you are not in fear any more Pyro mou!!!

[sob] [sob]

There.. there... pyro.. is that bossom soft enough for you?

Get Real honey ... GET REAL

By the way you have problems your emoticons...they don't appear in the forum!!!

[Get Real!]

@ Pyro
I hope you are not in fear any more Pyro mou!!!

[sob] [sob]

There.. there... pyro.. is that bossom soft enough for you?

Get Real honey ... GET REAL

By the way you have problems your emoticons...they don't appear in the forum!!!

Do my 3 laughing emots appear above in the quote?

[LENA]

No and actually i think are 2!! By the way it happen for all of the emoticons that you post the last few days!!! At least for me... I can see them!!! In your post above I can see that [sob] [sob]...no emoticons!!!