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[Pyrpolizer]

Why do you ignore my plea for a 70/30 split that Makarios was ready sign and offer YOURSELF less than what was already on the table.

I personally was too bored to comment the movies you watch in your sleep. In case you wonder what my comment would be, watch here --- >

[Viewpoint]

But I take all the necesary precautions to ensure no harm comes to me or my children, this reduces the risk the known risks the GCs are a known risk...as I said below learn from then past..

Pathetic!!!

You should really visit a psycologist Vp...you seem to be going through the main symptoms of Agora-phobia!

I would never expect you to understand, as you cant..

Hey man, I lost relatives during the 1974 invation, what makes you so arrogant to think that you were the only one who may have some sort of fear about what the future holds for him and his children.
However, I love this country and its people and I am not blaming TCs for the loss that my family sustained.

You see Vp, every cypriot have their little or bigger stories about what happened and how this affected them. However, most people are willing to put the past behind them and opt for reunification under a true BBF.

I believe it is not fear that triggers you love affair with partition but rather economic and selfish interests.

You have every right to think what you wish but you must acknowledge that I also have the right to ask for safe guards to ensure GCs and TCs cannot repeat the mistakes of the past and that my future is not put purely in the hands of GCs alone.

[Pyrpolizer]

Like we have the right to ask for even more safeguards, like e.g you will not screw up the state and mke it unfunctional, you will not work towards another session of Taksim by grabbing more than 18% of Cyprus and running away,you will not use the settlers as a pretext to become 30% and steal our share-all settlers go to hell then- and mostly we have the right to demand Turkey leaves 1 second after we sign any agreement.
Should i write down 1000 more demands and safeguards for us?

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

I specifically said that we could not take the RoC's word on this issue and that still stands. All your posts after that to VP ask that and that only. We know what might or might not happen but whereas I cannot draw up a contract with a meteor, I can with the equally deadly RoC. What you need to start doing is think of this as a contract. Like any other contract provisos have to be added. The basic law as it stands is not sufficient to cover the special circumstances so additional contracts are drawn. Why are you so eager to go into a business deal with your arse hanging out of your trousers. I still don't get your mindset. Why do you ignore my plea for a 70/30 split that Makarios was ready sign and offer YOURSELF less than what was already on the table. I don't care what the population of TCs are at the moment or was in 1960. We were stunted in our growth and the figure today does not represent a true percentage. Lets draw up the contract that is perfect for both sides. The GCs are lucky we are not divorcing them because on that basis we are entitled to a far greater share.

Zan,

As soon as you decide, what is it you want for yourself and our people, then we can make some headway, in trying to sort out all the details, because it is not possible to work out the details, when you don't know, what the hell it is that you want. Is it PARTITION, 1960 CONSTITUTION as a PEPUBLIC, or a FEDERAL system with 2 STATES 1 COUNTRY. As soon as you decide which one you want, then we can discuss the details, but I get the feeling, you want a piece of all THREE that suits us the best, and leave the rest behind. Not a bad days work, if you can get it Zan.

Just for the record Zan, the 70%-30% that you like to throw around, was design for issuing Government Jobs and not the proportion of land split, since as Cypriots, we owned 100% of Cyprus, or was it ever stated in the 1960 Constitution, that's what we were entitled, if we wanted a PARTITION, or a FEDERAL system at later date. Perhaps you can enlighten us, because I'm not aware of such proposals.

So Zan, decide what you want, then lets talk. For the sake of my sanity, can you just pick ONLY one of the 3 choices I gave you above.....Thanks.

[zan]

Kikapu

I specifically said that we could not take the RoC's word on this issue and that still stands. All your posts after that to VP ask that and that only. We know what might or might not happen but whereas I cannot draw up a contract with a meteor, I can with the equally deadly RoC. What you need to start doing is think of this as a contract. Like any other contract provisos have to be added. The basic law as it stands is not sufficient to cover the special circumstances so additional contracts are drawn. Why are you so eager to go into a business deal with your arse hanging out of your trousers. I still don't get your mindset. Why do you ignore my plea for a 70/30 split that Makarios was ready sign and offer YOURSELF less than what was already on the table. I don't care what the population of TCs are at the moment or was in 1960. We were stunted in our growth and the figure today does not represent a true percentage. Lets draw up the contract that is perfect for both sides. The GCs are lucky we are not divorcing them because on that basis we are entitled to a far greater share.

Zan,

As soon as you decide, what is it you want for yourself and our people, then we can make some headway, in trying to sort out all the details, because it is not possible to work out the details, when you don't know, what the hell it is that you want. Is it PARTITION, 1960 CONSTITUTION as a PEPUBLIC, or a FEDERAL system with 2 STATES 1 COUNTRY. As soon as you decide which one you want, then we can discuss the details, but I get the feeling, you want a piece of all THREE that suits us the best, and leave the rest behind. Not a bad days work, if you can get it Zan.

Just for the record Zan, the 70%-30% that you like to throw around, was design for issuing Government Jobs and not the proportion of land split, since as Cypriots, we owned 100% of Cyprus, or was it ever stated in the 1960 Constitution, that's what we were entitled, if we wanted a PARTITION, or a FEDERAL system at later date. Perhaps you can enlighten us, because I'm not aware of such proposals.

So Zan, decide what you want, then lets talk. For the sake of my sanity, can you just pick ONLY one of the 3 choices I gave you above.....Thanks.

The ANNAN plan with our safe guards intact.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

I specifically said that we could not take the RoC's word on this issue and that still stands. All your posts after that to VP ask that and that only. We know what might or might not happen but whereas I cannot draw up a contract with a meteor, I can with the equally deadly RoC. What you need to start doing is think of this as a contract. Like any other contract provisos have to be added. The basic law as it stands is not sufficient to cover the special circumstances so additional contracts are drawn. Why are you so eager to go into a business deal with your arse hanging out of your trousers. I still don't get your mindset. Why do you ignore my plea for a 70/30 split that Makarios was ready sign and offer YOURSELF less than what was already on the table. I don't care what the population of TCs are at the moment or was in 1960. We were stunted in our growth and the figure today does not represent a true percentage. Lets draw up the contract that is perfect for both sides. The GCs are lucky we are not divorcing them because on that basis we are entitled to a far greater share.

Zan,

As soon as you decide, what is it you want for yourself and our people, then we can make some headway, in trying to sort out all the details, because it is not possible to work out the details, when you don't know, what the hell it is that you want. Is it PARTITION, 1960 CONSTITUTION as a PEPUBLIC, or a FEDERAL system with 2 STATES 1 COUNTRY. As soon as you decide which one you want, then we can discuss the details, but I get the feeling, you want a piece of all THREE that suits us the best, and leave the rest behind. Not a bad days work, if you can get it Zan.

Just for the record Zan, the 70%-30% that you like to throw around, was design for issuing Government Jobs and not the proportion of land split, since as Cypriots, we owned 100% of Cyprus, or was it ever stated in the 1960 Constitution, that's what we were entitled, if we wanted a PARTITION, or a FEDERAL system at later date. Perhaps you can enlighten us, because I'm not aware of such proposals.

So Zan, decide what you want, then lets talk. For the sake of my sanity, can you just pick ONLY one of the 3 choices I gave you above.....Thanks.

The ANNAN plan with our safe guards intact.

There were ONLY 3 choices Zan, which did not include a CONFEDERATION system as the Annan Plan was, for all practical purpose, which would have given us, the best of all other 3 choices. That would have been a good days work, had we got it, but it was turned down.

So once again, which ONE of the above 3 choices, do you want to talk about.?

[zan]

Kikapu

I specifically said that we could not take the RoC's word on this issue and that still stands. All your posts after that to VP ask that and that only. We know what might or might not happen but whereas I cannot draw up a contract with a meteor, I can with the equally deadly RoC. What you need to start doing is think of this as a contract. Like any other contract provisos have to be added. The basic law as it stands is not sufficient to cover the special circumstances so additional contracts are drawn. Why are you so eager to go into a business deal with your arse hanging out of your trousers. I still don't get your mindset. Why do you ignore my plea for a 70/30 split that Makarios was ready sign and offer YOURSELF less than what was already on the table. I don't care what the population of TCs are at the moment or was in 1960. We were stunted in our growth and the figure today does not represent a true percentage. Lets draw up the contract that is perfect for both sides. The GCs are lucky we are not divorcing them because on that basis we are entitled to a far greater share.

Zan,

As soon as you decide, what is it you want for yourself and our people, then we can make some headway, in trying to sort out all the details, because it is not possible to work out the details, when you don't know, what the hell it is that you want. Is it PARTITION, 1960 CONSTITUTION as a PEPUBLIC, or a FEDERAL system with 2 STATES 1 COUNTRY. As soon as you decide which one you want, then we can discuss the details, but I get the feeling, you want a piece of all THREE that suits us the best, and leave the rest behind. Not a bad days work, if you can get it Zan.

Just for the record Zan, the 70%-30% that you like to throw around, was design for issuing Government Jobs and not the proportion of land split, since as Cypriots, we owned 100% of Cyprus, or was it ever stated in the 1960 Constitution, that's what we were entitled, if we wanted a PARTITION, or a FEDERAL system at later date. Perhaps you can enlighten us, because I'm not aware of such proposals.

So Zan, decide what you want, then lets talk. For the sake of my sanity, can you just pick ONLY one of the 3 choices I gave you above.....Thanks.

The ANNAN plan with our safe guards intact.

There were ONLY 3 choices Zan, which did not include a CONFEDERATION system as the Annan Plan was, for all practical purpose, which would have given us, the best of all other 3 choices. That would have been a good days work, had we got it, but it was turned down.

So once again, which ONE of the above 3 choices, do you want to talk about.?

The ANNAN plan with all our safe guards in place. Your RoC does not dictate the choices and limit them to three if they do not suit us. There are four choices so far....Which one would you and the RoC wish to put on the table for consideration.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

I specifically said that we could not take the RoC's word on this issue and that still stands. All your posts after that to VP ask that and that only. We know what might or might not happen but whereas I cannot draw up a contract with a meteor, I can with the equally deadly RoC. What you need to start doing is think of this as a contract. Like any other contract provisos have to be added. The basic law as it stands is not sufficient to cover the special circumstances so additional contracts are drawn. Why are you so eager to go into a business deal with your arse hanging out of your trousers. I still don't get your mindset. Why do you ignore my plea for a 70/30 split that Makarios was ready sign and offer YOURSELF less than what was already on the table. I don't care what the population of TCs are at the moment or was in 1960. We were stunted in our growth and the figure today does not represent a true percentage. Lets draw up the contract that is perfect for both sides. The GCs are lucky we are not divorcing them because on that basis we are entitled to a far greater share.

Zan,

As soon as you decide, what is it you want for yourself and our people, then we can make some headway, in trying to sort out all the details, because it is not possible to work out the details, when you don't know, what the hell it is that you want. Is it PARTITION, 1960 CONSTITUTION as a PEPUBLIC, or a FEDERAL system with 2 STATES 1 COUNTRY. As soon as you decide which one you want, then we can discuss the details, but I get the feeling, you want a piece of all THREE that suits us the best, and leave the rest behind. Not a bad days work, if you can get it Zan.

Just for the record Zan, the 70%-30% that you like to throw around, was design for issuing Government Jobs and not the proportion of land split, since as Cypriots, we owned 100% of Cyprus, or was it ever stated in the 1960 Constitution, that's what we were entitled, if we wanted a PARTITION, or a FEDERAL system at later date. Perhaps you can enlighten us, because I'm not aware of such proposals.

So Zan, decide what you want, then lets talk. For the sake of my sanity, can you just pick ONLY one of the 3 choices I gave you above.....Thanks.

The ANNAN plan with our safe guards intact.

There were ONLY 3 choices Zan, which did not include a CONFEDERATION system as the Annan Plan was, for all practical purpose, which would have given us, the best of all other 3 choices. That would have been a good days work, had we got it, but it was turned down.

So once again, which ONE of the above 3 choices, do you want to talk about.?

The ANNAN plan with all our safe guards in place. Your RoC does not dictate the choices and limit them to three if they do not suit us. There are four choices so far....Which one would you and the RoC wish to put on the table for consideration.

My RoC.???

As soon as you can demonstrate that the land in the "TRNC" belongs solely to the TC's, then we can talk about CONFEDERATION system ( aka ANNAN PLAN ), but until then, stick to what is IS.

Like I said before, it is much simpler to talk with you, if we just stick to the main point of your desires. So here is your choice of the 3...PARTITION.

If I'm not correct, then let us know, which OTHER you want to talk about.

[zan]

My RoC.???

As soon as you can demonstrate that the land in the "TRNC" belongs solely to the TC's, then we can talk about CONFEDERATION system ( aka ANNAN PLAN ), but until then, stick to what is IS.

Like I said before, it is much simpler to talk with you, if we just stick to the main point of your desires. So here is your choice of the 3...PARTITION.

If I'm not correct, then let us know, which OTHER you want to talk about.

There are very few claims being made to the land commission that was authorised to exist in the TRNC/KKTC so a definitive land ownership register cannot be made.

[askimwos]

What about an alternative version of the Annan plan that would also satisfy GCs without taking anything away from TCs then?

i.e. a better mechanism on the property compensation issue? Why just 1/3 of the properies returned and not say 2/3 for example? The same will apply for TCs?

Why just 20% to have the right to return? Why not 100%, we both know that not even 20% of GCs will not actually return but may want to return after their retirement.

Why such a complicated civil service with the right of veto to every vice-directors of government departments. why not share the directors positions and let the directors decide?

Why the permament stationing of troops on the island? and why the guarantor powers? Don't tell me that you expect an EU country to tern into th emess of the 60s.

Why 30% TCs in the civil service and not a guaranteed 18%. If more than 18% are deemed excellent then no ceiling is applied.

Why hand air space and territorial waters to the english bases? i prefer them not to return the 1.5% they now have and not get territorial waters and airspace that wound turn them into a real country.

I believe the issue of one economy has been resolved with the accession of Cyprus to the EU now and the introduction of th euro.

Btw lets change that clown flag of the anna plan as well.

So can you now zan tell us which of the above you do not agree with?