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[cypezokyli]

i beg to disagree.
kemalism is not under thread in turkey. it never was. besides erdogan has nothing to do with erbakan. he could have been a danger , erdogan on the other hand is not.
besides kemalism can mean 1000 different things. the AKP may as well argue that its achievements in the economy where actually what kemal wanted :wing:
AKP had major achievements when it comes to the economy. CHP (and the army) has no arguments against that , so the only thing it can do is follow nationalistic rhetoric. AKP knows that, so it does the same. problem is , their nationalistic rhetoric doesnot help cyprus at all.

Isn't the army of any country nationalistic by definition.

it might well be. but in turkey the army is not the same as any other country

[fanourıo]

Latest news say that the army in Turkey was "stopped" from buying new F-16 from the USA because the Americans said these aircrafts should not be allowed to fly over Cyprus. How true can this be? and how can they control that?

[pitsilos]

fanos you might not be aware but the us can track every fighter jet it sells at a push of a button

[zan]

i beg to disagree.
kemalism is not under thread in turkey. it never was. besides erdogan has nothing to do with erbakan. he could have been a danger , erdogan on the other hand is not.
besides kemalism can mean 1000 different things. the AKP may as well argue that its achievements in the economy where actually what kemal wanted :wing:
AKP had major achievements when it comes to the economy. CHP (and the army) has no arguments against that , so the only thing it can do is follow nationalistic rhetoric. AKP knows that, so it does the same. problem is , their nationalistic rhetoric doesnot help cyprus at all.

Isn't the army of any country nationalistic by definition.

it might well be. but in turkey the army is not the same as any other country

True and for that reason they have their good points. In other countries when a government gets taken over by a corrupt element there is a bloody coup. When, as in the 70s this happened in Turkey the only people hurt were the Mafia and then the country was returned to the proper authorities.

[pitsilos]

In other countries when a government gets taken over by a corrupt element there is a bloody coup

can you please name some of these ither countries, and i will show you a 3rd world country.

i think the link i provided about kemalism is pretty much spot on, i suggest you read it and then you might see how idea of kemalism has changed from then to today.

here it is again
http://www.ataturksociety.org/asa/voa/kemalizm.html

[fanourıo]

Yes Pitsilos you are right and they probably controlled their OWN two airplanes that hit the TWIN TOWERS ON 11/9/2001 so well that they BOTH HIT THEIR TARGETS.....

[pitsilos]

fanos for a jurno you know you are being ridiculous as we speak. we were talking fighter planes and you are talking...blah blah blah just to get your post count up.

mate either we talk sensibly or i switch on my alter ego and a free for all.

[zan]

In other countries when a government gets taken over by a corrupt element there is a bloody coup

can you please name some of these ither countries, and i will show you a 3rd world country.

i think the link i provided about kemalism is pretty much spot on, i suggest you read it and then you might see how idea of kemalism has changed from then to today.

here it is again
http://www.ataturksociety.org/asa/voa/kemalizm.html

I know what Kemalism is Pits. It is as pure as the Bible and the Koran. What people do with it is another matter. Are you prepared to throw out the writings of the Bible because of he Crusades?

[fanourıo]

Pitsilos: Please refrain from copying Kifeas... you started calling names in lack of clever points.... The americans DO control every jet! I agree with you! THAT S WHY THEY MANAGED TO HIT THEIR TARGETS because they were the ones that actually FIXED the 9/11 scam!!!

[zan]

fanos for a jurno you know you are being ridiculous as we speak. we were talking fighter planes and you are talking...blah blah blah just to get your post count up.

mate either we talk sensibly or i switch on my alter ego and a free for all.

NOOOOooooooooooooo!