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[skipper]

Not going to reply to points 1 & 2 because I dont have time, but regarding

on point 3, there really needs a distinction on what a "settler" is, if you mean people who migrated immediately after '74 then their number are something like 40,000 and the children where both parents are from turkey around 20,000. The vast majority of what is politically called a settler by the GC are workers and students, these people are here temporarily and do not have an automatic right to permenent residency even under the TRNC. Infact even if there was a solution tommorow we'd still need these people, even the most ardent mainland turk hating TC would admit that the north would grind to a standstill if these people disappared in the same way that the south would collapse if the tourists and foreign workers were not present.

again with regards to point 3 and land given to settlers, most of the land given was farming land. Any settler that had been given prime real estate would have sold up and left cyprus long ago, to live "like a king" in whatever obscure village they came from. How many GC's would want to come back to the north to persue a life in farming I dont know, but I'd wager its not a large proportion.

finally, the reason Talat wont stop construction on GC land is that he (and most TCs) believe that if he does the GC's would have no incentive to negotiate as other than the refugee issue this is where there is real pressure being exerted by GC's population to do something. meanwhile the economy of the north would go into immediate recession and there would be no guarrentee that a solution would be negotiated in a quick time frame based on past experiences, so as a poltician Talat would be mad to such a risk.

So what will happen when there is no more Greek land to sell, will the economy collapse then? The TCs are living in an artificial false economy propped up by the sale of stolen goods.

Nope, buy that time there will be so many expat villas then all the construction companies will focus on the service sectors created by said villas. An besides I did n't say collapse, I said go into recession, try stoping even just 5% of economic activity in any country and see what the effects are.

If the GC leadership truely believed in a negotiated settlement they would n't put it as a precondition to negotiations, look how much time has been wasted and how much land has been developed on in the past couple of years. Instead of negotiations all we have had is posturing.

[Pyrpolizer]

So what do we have here? Our stolen farming land was given to settlers because skipper "doesn't think" the GC refugees would be intereted to get their farming land back after a solution. And our stolen prime land is been built upon or sold to foreigners to cause pressure to the GCs go for a solution when the TCs themselves refuse to come to the technical committees to discuss the details of a solution.

Hey skipper good luck in providing maintenance to swimming pools after you sell everything. You did the same for 2 years after the invasion exporting whole ship loads of furniture, TVs, refrigerators etc from our robbed houses. For how long did the money last??

Yeap go on like that and we will see where that would lead you.

[MR-from-NG]

So what do we have here? Our stolen farming land was given to settlers because skipper "doesn't think" the GC refugees would be intereted to get their farming land back after a solution. And our stolen prime land is been built upon or sold to foreigners to cause pressure to the GCs go for a solution when the TCs themselves refuse to come to the technical committees to discuss the details of a solution.

Hey skipper good luck in providing maintenance to swimming pools after you sell everything. You did the same for 2 years after the invasion exporting whole ship loads of furniture, TVs, refrigerators etc from our robbed houses. For how long did the money last??

Yeap go on like that and we will see where that would lead you.

Pyrpolizer,
What other choice do we have with all the isolation's? You are responsible for everything including the loss of your own land. But of course you would never admit to this fact.

[skipper]

So what do we have here? Our stolen farming land was given to settlers because skipper "doesn't think" the GC refugees would be intereted to get their farming land back after a solution. And our stolen prime land is been built upon or sold to foreigners to cause pressure to the GCs go for a solution when the TCs themselves refuse to come to the technical committees to discuss the details of a solution.

Hey skipper good luck in providing maintenance to swimming pools after you sell everything. You did the same for 2 years after the invasion exporting whole ship loads of furniture, TVs, refrigerators etc from our robbed houses. For how long did the money last??

Yeap go on like that and we will see where that would lead you.

See this is why it's not worth bothering with this board. I'm just telling you how things are but as you go on as if I'm writing propaganda, gosh if you cant handle the truth of the situation then so be it, I never said any of the things I mentioned was right or wrong but please dont let that stop you from throwing mud at me.

You cant even read my posts properly, I never said land was initally given to settlers because GC's would n't want to come back. I said farming land was given to settlers and in the context of what humanist was saying about GC's accepting compensation I wondered how many actually would want to come back to do farming but please if you're not going to read what I say then dont bother replying to my posts.

Again with regards to pressure for negotiations because of GC's land being built on, I never said it was a good thing that all this building was going. But the political descisions being made are being made with that in context and I stand by my assertion that if there was no building on GC land there would be less incentive by the GC leadership to start negotiations.

The "technical commitees" are meant to look at addressing day-to-day problems between the two sides such as the crossing points etc etc, the substaintial points that need to be discussed that will lead to negotiations are what the parallel "working groups" are meant for. The GC's seem to be bent on having the property issue as part of the technical commitees and thats why they have n't started.

Also never ever use "you" when refering to things that have happened in the north in the past since "I" am not responsible for them, I am an individual making comments you do realise that dont you?. I just make observations based things as they are, if you cant handle them fine but dont go around saying I said/did this or that.

[Viewpoint]

So what do we have here? Our stolen farming land was given to settlers because skipper "doesn't think" the GC refugees would be intereted to get their farming land back after a solution. And our stolen prime land is been built upon or sold to foreigners to cause pressure to the GCs go for a solution when the TCs themselves refuse to come to the technical committees to discuss the details of a solution.

Hey skipper good luck in providing maintenance to swimming pools after you sell everything. You did the same for 2 years after the invasion exporting whole ship loads of furniture, TVs, refrigerators etc from our robbed houses. For how long did the money last??

Yeap go on like that and we will see where that would lead you.

See this is why it's not worth bothering with this board. I'm just telling you how things are but as you go on as if I'm writing propaganda, gosh if you cant handle the truth of the situation then so be it, I never said any of the things I mentioned was right or wrong but please dont let that stop you from throwing mud at me.

You cant even read my posts properly, I never said land was initally given to settlers because GC's would n't want to come back. I said farming land was given to settlers and in the context of what humanist was saying about GC's accepting compensation I wondered how many actually would want to come back to do farming but please if you're not going to read what I say then dont bother replying to my posts.

Again with regards to pressure for negotiations because of GC's land being built on, I never said it was a good thing that all this building was going. But the political descisions being made are being made with that in context and I stand by my assertion that if there was no building on GC land there would be less incentive by the GC leadership to start negotiations.

The "technical commitees" are meant to look at addressing day-to-day problems between the two sides such as the crossing points etc etc, the substaintial points that need to be discussed that will lead to negotiations are what the parallel "working groups" are meant for. The GC's seem to be bent on having the property issue as part of the technical commitees and thats why they have n't started.

Also never ever use "you" when refering to things that have happened in the north in the past since "I" am not responsible for them, I am an individual making comments you do realise that dont you?. I just make observations based things as they are, if you cant handle them fine but dont go around saying I said/did this or that.

Hi Skipper, if you stick around long enough you will soon find out that anything certain people do not want to hear or have problems understanding or accepting is automatically labelled propaganda thats how ignorant people deal with it, you to will learn who is who very quickly.

[Jerry]

Skipper I have read your post properly, you confuse what you consider to be facts with your opininions. Your post is biased, it is the truth as you see it but not necessarily fact.

[Pyrpolizer]

Jerry has covered me completely.
Thanks Jerry.

I even put "thinks" in quotation marks but skipper haven't notice.

Btw skipper this is a discussion forum not a forum where everybody hides behind descriptions of "facts" as he sees them.

[Pyrpolizer]

So what do we have here? Our stolen farming land was given to settlers because skipper "doesn't think" the GC refugees would be intereted to get their farming land back after a solution. And our stolen prime land is been built upon or sold to foreigners to cause pressure to the GCs go for a solution when the TCs themselves refuse to come to the technical committees to discuss the details of a solution.

Hey skipper good luck in providing maintenance to swimming pools after you sell everything. You did the same for 2 years after the invasion exporting whole ship loads of furniture, TVs, refrigerators etc from our robbed houses. For how long did the money last??

Yeap go on like that and we will see where that would lead you.

Pyrpolizer,
What other choice do we have with all the isolation's? You are responsible for everything including the loss of your own land. But of course you would never admit to this fact.

I will leave aside as to who is responsible mrfromng.

You had too many options during those 32 years, but unfortunately for you Denktash cared to destroy them all. You isolation is self imposed we discussed this hundreds of times.

The only way out is apply fully the EU law in the occupied. This means INCLUDING full property rights and resettlement rights of GC refugees.

The Roc at the same time should return all TC properties to their owners to do what they like with them.

After this happens we will talk about the political reunification of the island as a Federation, as well as the issue of settlers and complete demilitarisation.

[Pyrpolizer]

Hi Skipper, if you stick around long enough you will soon find out that anything certain people do not want to hear or have problems understanding or accepting is automatically labelled propaganda thats how ignorant people deal with it, you to will learn who is who very quickly.

Like for example "woo scaring, I am chilling just by the thought of living together with these people"

® Viewpoint the fear spreading machine.

[humanist]

finally, the reason Talat wont stop construction on GC land is that he (and most TCs) believe that if he does the GC's would have no incentive to negotiate as other than the refugee issue this is where there is real pressure being exerted by GC's population to do something. meanwhile the economy of the north would go into immediate recession and there would be no guarrentee that a solution would be negotiated in a quick time frame based on past experiences, so as a poltician Talat would be mad to such a risk.

I am no politician but isn't that dumb? Do you not think that Greek Speaking Cypriots would still want their properties back and therefore would negotiate for that, do you think that is disrespectful to greek speaking cyopriots to have their properties safeguarded. Once a turkish speaking cypriot on this forum said they are sicjk and tired of labelled thieves but ithat is ecactly whjat Talat is doing stealing land. It has further social implications also, he is taking land off people that he hopes to live with one day. How is that going to build trust and respect. But the answer is simple and ewasy Talat is a little puppet from theurky to basically give north Cyprus to the turks and eradicate the turkish speaking population from the Island and his supporters best wake up sand see what is ahappenning to turkish speaking population shrinking faster that any other population ton the planet,.