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[miltiades]

The criteria for measuring a nations civility is its ability and willingness to obey the law of the land . In democratic nations laws are enacted through parliamentary procedures as required by the constitution. In the jungle the rule of law does not feature prominently , in our free societies we must expect , and demand , that the law is obeyed and that those that defy the law must me brought to book .
In Cyprus there are a number of laws that are arrogantly ignored by a certain section of the population, one of them being the wearing of protective helmets by motor cyclists , and as an example , having recently experienced it , the violation of rules governing taxis such as using the required meter .
Smoking is a national Cypriot curse and any laws and government action taken to discourage this disgusting habit must be welcomed by all reasonable citizens.
In the UK the banning of smoking in restaurants and pubs has been a total success and the people have accepted and complied with the law , why not in Cyprus , are we less law abiding than the British ?

[Eliko]

miltiades, there is a difference between upholding fair and just laws because they are fair and just, and imposing draconian laws on otherwise law abiding citizens.

You have obviously adopted the principles of your host nation in complete oblivion to what that nation has done to it's citizens over the past decade or so.

You are able to look back, why don't you?, a small example is the manner in which motorists are persecuted these days, the law on clamping is about to be relaxed, why?, because it has gone out of control (in keeping with many other laws and by-laws), you can bet that the financial losses will be recuperated via some other 'trumped up' infringement of your liberties.

I think the people of the democratic nations of the world are so weighed down with legislation that it will soon be necessary to obtain a licence to go for a shite, quite appropriate really since, (to coin a phrase), the whole country has gone that way.

I cannot understand the mentality of those who seemingly welcome further intrusions of their daily lives, are you not aware that your country thinks NOTHING of you or your opinions?, have they not demonstrated their contempt for public opinion severally over the past decade?, do you REALLY imagine that the government is concerned with YOUR well-being?.

The truth lies in the fact that you are treated like illiterate scum by those whom you elect to treat you so, a sad reflection on a nation which was once respected throughout the world.

Such powers that govern you ARE the 'Root Causes' of all the mayhem now prevelant in other nations, they are resisting the influence of Western civilization, they are determined to retrieve that which has been taken from them, (their dignity and cultural integrity) not to mention their resources.

They will not accept the 'gerrymandered' political frameworks imposed on them, good luck to them (says I) they have the courage and the stamina to win against oppression, others have lost their will.

In my humble opinion Sir.

(I can see no reason for why my comments should attract insult or abuse.)

[miltiades]

Eliko wrote:
""""miltiades, there is a difference between upholding fair and just laws because they are fair and just, and imposing draconian laws on otherwise law abiding citizens.

You have obviously adopted the principles of your host nation in complete oblivion to what that nation has done to it's citizens over the past decade or so. """"
Your humble opinion I'm afraid is just as misplaced as all of your other humble opinions.
What your saying is that the citizen has a right to accept those laws that he / she considers fair and just , and to reject and break the laws that he / she considers unjust !!!
What a bloody waste of an education !!

ps . I consider paying taxes in order to subsidise the third world immigrants and the recent Eastern Europeans who have flocked into the UK , I wonder if I should refrain from obeying the law and paying my taxes !!!

[Eliko]

miltiades, further to my previous post, there is another point I would like you to consider regarding the habit of smoking.

We have been informed that it is a danger to our health, unacceptable in polite society, a danger to the health of our children and our peers, these warnings are backed by various medical and scientific agencies in an effort to SAVE us from the evils of addiction.

Does it not PROVE beyond any doubt that the Western governments are the 'Devil's Advocates' when they openly admit (and YOU have also recognized the fact) that they are vigorously encouraging the export of tobacco products and encouraging it's use in third world countries?.

If it is such a deadly habit, why expound the virtues of it to others?, surely it should be banned from the face of the earth.

You may argue that such an action would create a great deal of unemployment, loss of revenues, loss of profits etc, surely these should be small considerations when one is supposedly concerned about the health of a nation.

Could it be, I wonder, that the Western governments are really NOT concerned with the well-being of those of the Eastern regions?, they seem to be making a lot of noises contrary to that assumption lately.

Sounds a bit like 'Germ Warfare' when you view it like that doesn't it?, a slow and agonizing death or a quick kill springs to mind here, we've heard it all before.

I think the foregoing is a fair illustration of just HOW the politicians care for the people of the world, don't you agree?.

[Eliko]

Eliko wrote:
""""miltiades, there is a difference between upholding fair and just laws because they are fair and just, and imposing draconian laws on otherwise law abiding citizens.

You have obviously adopted the principles of your host nation in complete oblivion to what that nation has done to it's citizens over the past decade or so. """"
Your humble opinion I'm afraid is just as misplaced as all of your other humble opinions.
What your saying is that the citizen has a right to accept those laws that he / she considers fair and just , and to reject and break the laws that he / she considers unjust !!!
What a bloody waste of an education !!

ps . I consider paying taxes in order to subsidise the third world immigrants and the recent Eastern Europeans who have flocked into the UK , I wonder if I should refrain from obeying the law and paying my taxes !!!

I would not encourage you to stop paying your taxes Sir, what I would say is that you should protest most strongly (among millions of others) when you are told that your money has been frittered away and wasted.

Under such circumstances, you should be entitled to demand a rebate for such wastage, TRY IT and see where you end up in the hands of your deeply concerned government officials.

Nice communicating with you, must dash to the airport now, did you have a look at the Ron Paul videos?, i would really appreciate your input.

[Eliko]

miltiades, I DID NOT say that the citizens should disobey the law, READ THE POST AGAIN !.

[RRichie]

Quote Eliko Nice communicating with you, must dash to the airport now,
Be careful at the airport Eliko its a very dangerous carcinogenic place to be, I dont mean from all the planes landing and taking off, or all the coaches and cars pumping out dangerous fumes. Its all the smokers stood outside.

[Eliko]

RRichie, I have just returned from the airport, fortunately I did not have to suffer the inconvenience of joining the throng of irate motorists tailing back for 1km and converging from the opposite direction at the main roundabout, the smoking ban has not reached the V.I.P. lounge apparently, I enjoyed a nice cigar, glass of brandy and a cup of coffee whilst lounging back in one of the leather club sofas.
I must confess that I did consider the plight of those less fortunate than myself who were huddled together in the main lounges, unable to find a seat, unable to smoke (unless they went outside), unable to secure refreshments unless they were prepared to pay exorbitant prices for sub-standard goods, whilst eagerly awaiting the arrival or departure of friends and family.

It really annoyed me to observe the conditions that those poor people were forced to endure, while the rich were able to conduct themselves in a leisurely fashion even midst the turmoil of the airport under refurbishment, it crossed my mind that I should use my influence to make their lives a little more bearable.

In such a frame of mind, I approached the lift with the intention of descending to the lower level in order to make my feelings known, as I was about to summon the lift (for it is hardly appropriate for a man in my position to attempt a descent by stairs) I stopped and considered my intent for a moment, changed my mind, returned to the comfort of the V.I.P. lounge and thought, "Bollocks to 'em, they are getting what they deserve for being fool enough to put up with such treatment".

NOW, what do you think of THAT mate?............(that could be any one of our politicians)....

[DT.]

RRichie, I have just returned from the airport, fortunately I did not have to suffer the inconvenience of joining the throng of irate motorists tailing back for 1km and converging from the opposite direction at the main roundabout, the smoking ban has not reached the V.I.P. lounge apparently, I enjoyed a nice cigar, glass of brandy and a cup of coffee whilst lounging back in one of the leather club sofas.
I must confess that I did consider the plight of those less fortunate than myself who were huddled together in the main lounges, unable to find a seat, unable to smoke (unless they went outside), unable to secure refreshments unless they were prepared to pay exorbitant prices for sub-standard goods, whilst eagerly awaiting the arrival or departure of friends and family.

It really annoyed me to observe the conditions that those poor people were forced to endure, while the rich were able to conduct themselves in a leisurely fashion even midst the turmoil of the airport under refurbishment, it crossed my mind that I should use my influence to make their lives a little more bearable.

In such a frame of mind, I approached the lift with the intention of descending to the lower level in order to make my feelings known, as I was about to summon the lift (for it is hardly appropriate for a man in my position to attempt a descent by stairs) I stopped and considered my intent for a moment, changed my mind, returned to the comfort of the V.I.P. lounge and thought, "Bollocks to 'em, they are getting what they deserve for being fool enough to put up with such treatment".

NOW, what do you think of THAT mate?............(that could be any one of our politicians)....

actually due to the recent improvements on the airport the lounge has fallen far behind because it is still owned by CYAir. I preffer downstairs then that stuffy place who's aircondition does not even work.

[Eliko]

DT. something tells me you've missed the point.