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Turkey's military performance in July 1974...

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Postby zan » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:21 am

Get Real! wrote:Zan…
If the RoC does not stop pissing off the real big boys in the EU she will get the slapping of her life to show her where she exactly belongs.

The big boys in the EU have trapped themselves in red tape and political correctness so I can’t see any EU member getting “slapped” as such, but we shall see…

As for the rest of your rhetoric.......... You made the mistake of underestimating the "Anatolians" more than once before.

My criticism in this thread is aimed at Turkey, the invader of my country, the confiscator of my home, the killer of my family, the violator of my rights, so if you see fit to take offence in their place then I’m afraid you’ve got a problem and you’re just going to have to deal with it as I don’t ever plan to stop campaigning until my justice is served.

As for you. Your arrogance is extreme to a degree. You ran down forum as being inferior to the other forum where you have got your arse kicked by more than one person but erolz in particular but still you stay and mix with us peasants. Feeling a bit lonely are we.

It’s pointless arguing with you over who got whose arse kicked and in which debate because there’s no points system to determine that as in Boxing, and thus everyone is entitled to a personal opinion although I can honestly say that I have yet to be proven technically wrong where possible, as I do work VERY hard to get my facts right, and all else is theory and/or speculation which is always debatable anyway.


OK! Lets just see what facts you did state.
Contemplate this…

Cyprus controls the destiny of 70 million Turks huffing and puffing at the EU doorstep, controls the Mediterranean sea with her 2,000 odd commercial flag-ships, and very soon will be controlling the Mediterranean airways as the new EU civil aviation hub.

In fact I envisage that by 2035 Cyprus will even have a permanent base on southern Turkish soil where the fat, greedy, capitalist, Cypriot will be shouting “Jump!” and his Anatolian cheap labour will be asking “How high?”.

With regards to the “Art of War” I browsed through that decades ago and tossed it in the can where it belongs. This is the missile age so I wouldn’t worry too much about choosing to attack an enemy on horseback while they’re crossing a river because they’re slower! Get with the times and forget that old wife's tale that the book is still relevant today.




I don't think I need to add much more........You state that you got your butt kicked by cheap labour and that they will not change much in nearly thirty years. Your missiles are bigger than their missiles simply because they have to carry theirs on horse back. Add a "YA BOO SUCKS" to that and there you have it. Well done. :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:53 am

Zan...
I don't think I need to add much more........You state that you got your butt kicked by cheap labour and that they will not change much in nearly thirty years. Your missiles are bigger than their missiles simply because they have to carry theirs on horse back. Add a "YA BOO SUCKS" to that and there you have it. Well done.

You are a fool!

The "Art of War" was written ages ago when technology was different hence most of the advice it offers is along the lines of "always prefer to attack your enemy while they are crossing a river" and similar outdated strategies.
That's why I said it's out of date in the missile age! That paragraph had nothing to do with Turkey or Cyprus.

Look, here's a peunut for you Zan ---> 0

Maybe that'll make you feel better.
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Postby zan » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:01 am

Thank you. I hope you can spare one. :roll:
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Re: Turkey's military performance in July 1974...

Postby shahmaran » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:13 am

Get Real! wrote:
reportfromcyprus wrote:What's your point, that the GC will do better next time round? Give me a break.


My point is that technically we could have defended our country well, had it not been for the internal mess, from an invasion of hopeless illiterate anatolian peasants.


Well if you were so clever you wouldn't have got invaded and ended up with such a spectacularly humiliating defeat like your Greek cousins did, would have you now :lol:

Literate or not, Turkey has not lost many wars, somebody must be doing something right :roll:
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Postby observer » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:49 pm

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The "Art of War" was written ages ago when technology was different hence most of the advice it offers is along the lines of "always prefer to attack your enemy while they are crossing a river" and similar outdated strategies.

It seems to me to be quite sensible advice, which is why armies build obstacles or to slow down/split their enemy. The actual advice may not make sense in a Cyprus with no rivers to speak of, but it's a good principal.

Maybe the Turkish Army should be grateful that no GCs or Greeks read Sun Tsu
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:21 pm

Yeah because every Turk grows up reading about Sun TZU :roll:
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Re: Turkey's military performance in July 1974...

Postby reportfromcyprus » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:38 pm

Get Real! wrote:
When I hear that kind of supercilious arrogant attitude, the only phrase that comes to mind is; pride comes before a fall.

Read the Art of War by Sun Tsu and then speak about military action.

Contemplate this…

Cyprus controls the destiny of 70 million Turks huffing and puffing at the EU doorstep, controls the Mediterranean sea with her 2,000 odd commercial flag-ships, and very soon will be controlling the Mediterranean airways as the new EU civil aviation hub.

In fact I envisage that by 2035 Cyprus will even have a permanent base on southern Turkish soil where the fat, greedy, capitalist, Cypriot will be shouting “Jump!” and his Anatolian cheap labour will be asking “How high?”.

With regards to the “Art of War” I browsed through that decades ago and tossed it in the can where it belongs. This is the missile age so I wouldn’t worry too much about choosing to attack an enemy on horseback while they’re crossing a river because they’re slower! Get with the times and forget that old wife's tale that the book is still relevant today.


Sun Tsu:
"Hence, though an obstinate fight may be made
by a small force, in the end it must be captured
by the larger force."

Common sense has no time limit.

Unless Cyprus could guarantee that a powerful military ally would help defend it, then the local armed forces are much too small to make a difference in a war against one of NATO's largest military powers.

Read this article for a list of the armaments Turkey has stationed on Cyprus: http://www.reportfromcyprus.com/Politic ... forts.html
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Re: Turkey's military performance in July 1974...

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:14 pm

reportfromcyprus wrote:Sun Tsu:
"Hence, though an obstinate fight may be made by a small force, in the end it must be captured by the larger force."

Common sense has no time limit.

Unless Cyprus could guarantee that a powerful military ally would help defend it, then the local armed forces are much too small to make a difference in a war against one of NATO's largest military powers.


Anyone who needs a book to learn that a smaller army will eventually get defeated by a bigger one shouldn't be in the military at all however...

Wars have since changed dramatically. You no longer see the enemy face to face and instead there is radar, guidance systems, stealth, and myriads of technologies to "outsmart" the enemy. War is no longer the game of the "brave" or the many but the game of the rich.

Tiny Cyprus, or even Malta for that matter, could fire a single missile with a huge payload from hundreds of miles away and turn "Sun Tsu" theory into "How stupid we once were" theory.
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Re: Turkey's military performance in July 1974...

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:30 pm

shahmaran wrote:Literate or not, Turkey has not lost many wars, somebody must be doing something right :roll:


I wouldn't brag about Turkey's military record if I were you unless you're referring to the "official" 1923 onwards Turkey, which conveniently leaves out plenty of history.

Indeed since the creation of their republic Turks have concentrated more on killing each other by keeping themselves busy with numerous military coups and inter-communal fighting.
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Re: Turkey's military performance in July 1974...

Postby joderv1 » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:31 pm

shahmaran wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
reportfromcyprus wrote:What's your point, that the GC will do better next time round? Give me a break.


My point is that technically we could have defended our country well, had it not been for the internal mess, from an invasion of hopeless illiterate anatolian peasants.


Well if you were so clever you wouldn't have got invaded and ended up with such a spectacularly humiliating defeat like your Greek cousins did, would have you now :lol:

Literate or not, Turkey has not lost many wars, somebody must be doing something right :roll:


Hi Shahmaran,

Not taking sides, but honestly just interested. Why did Turkey lose the war against Malta?

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