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[Viewpoint]

Yes you are a cheap skate and its obvious you are not coming north when you visit the island or you would have agreed to meet or give me details of your family.

VP,

Why don't you give me details of your family members in the UK, so that I can visit them, next time I go there, while visiting my family.

Besides, my mother's side of the family, does not know who "kikapu" is, if you went to ask them about me. They would need a "real name"

I am willing to open up my life to miltiades show him where I work my home my family and friends and you cannot give one of your family members here in the TRNC, isnt this double standards?

Then go and see one of Miltiades's family member, because I have never asked for you to prove to me, that you're are not Turkish. I only accused you of being a Partitionist and a Propagandist. I'm willing to soften my stance on the propaganda part, as long as you continue as you're now, just debating your argument.

By the way, I really enjoyed reading what you said on the other thread, regarding your children and their ages and their friendship with the GC's and on how they are allowed to think for them selves. This is the kind of information, that we all throw out there, that makes us human. You had earned my respect VP, while I was reading a little bit of your life, behind the scenes.

You are lieing please dont make me go back and find the posts where you questioned my being a Turkish Cypriot and demanded information about my parents and birth place, you have avery short memory, I think you should apologise for lieing. Only when I gave you details did you take a step back and relent your accusations.

I did offer to meet you as well in the TRNC but for some reason you refused. This would have nothing to do with not being a TC would it and not coming North during your planned visit?

[Kikapu]

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You are lieing please dont make me go back and find the posts where you questioned my being a Turkish Cypriot and demanded information about my parents and birth place, you have avery short memory, I think you should apologise for lieing. Only when I gave you details did you take a step back and relent your accusations.

I did offer to meet you as well in the TRNC but for some reason you refused. This would have nothing to do with not being a TC would it and not coming North during your planned visit?

Yes, I have accused you of being a Turk from Turkey, because you always made the claim, that that's where you "originated" from, and also the fact, that your family were "pure" and there was no Greek Genes in them. Then you would refuse to answer a very basic question, as to where you and your parents were born. Anyone with half a brain, would connect the dots, and make you a Turk, which I'm sure, you will not be insulted, if you were accused of being one. I believe, you would wear it with a badge of honour. That's a little different, than telling me, that I'm not a TC at all. As it turns out, you were born in the UK. No matter, that still makes you a Cypriot, but I still have the edge over you.

I offered to talk with you over the phone few times, but you refused. Whats the point meeting with me anyway. You have already said, that I could be GC, that can speak Turkish. You have already criticized my Turkish writing as from a GC person. I guess I will then need to show you my cock for inspection, whether or not, I have been circumcised or not. If I was a crude man, this would be the perfect time to be one, so let me stop here, by not embarrassing you any further with your silly attitude.

Do you get the feeling, perhaps you are doing, what you have accused others doing, and being critical of them, for doing it.

Yes, hypocrisy does come to mind, now that you've mentioned it.

[BirKibrisli]

You can start by removing the blinkers and refer to the Republic of Cyprus as the rest of the world refers to .For your information , although I have emailed and received emails from many on this forum , I believe that Birk has never contacted me by email. I respect the man not only that he was born a few miles from where I was but also for being a real Cypriot without any hatred for any Cypriot , unlike you who is demonised by your own propaganda and constantly highlight the negative reasons as to why our island , or part of it , ought to be annexed to a foreign nation.

I just want to confirm that I have never emailed or PM-ed miltiades in this forum.And he has never contacted me that way. All our communication has been openly via the threads...
I should go on and state that VP might find it difficult to believe that some people function as individuals,but that would be fanning the suspicions about VP once again...

[Viewpoint]

You can start by removing the blinkers and refer to the Republic of Cyprus as the rest of the world refers to .For your information , although I have emailed and received emails from many on this forum , I believe that Birk has never contacted me by email. I respect the man not only that he was born a few miles from where I was but also for being a real Cypriot without any hatred for any Cypriot , unlike you who is demonised by your own propaganda and constantly highlight the negative reasons as to why our island , or part of it , ought to be annexed to a foreign nation.

I just want to confirm that I have never emailed or PM-ed miltiades in this forum.And he has never contacted me that way. All our communication has been openly via the threads...
I should go on and state that VP might find it difficult to believe that some people function as individuals,but that would be fanning the suspicions about VP once again...

It appears that you are both in unison retreating into you shells after persecuting and condemning me, you are not addressing the issue either way, in order to set the record right you and your pack and ill list them for you should for a change do the decent thing and apologise for all the shit you have been posting against on this forum;

Birkıbrıslı, Miltiades, Pyro, Pits, Kikapu and anyone else who jumped on the band wagon.

These people should formally and clearly apologise with no snide remarks stating that they were wrong, what they were doing was vindictive and cruel, they labelled and accused me falsely of something that I am not in order to shut me up but when the time came to stand behind their convictions they all backed away making some feeble excuses or even trying to joke their way out of like they always do. As you can all read they have ignored the main content of my last posts picking on just once sentence to criticise, their egos are so inflated they cannot bring themselves to accept their wrong doings, doesn't this ring true of the Cyprus problem all together...accepting without excuse our wrongs in order to go forward not making the same mistakes. Well the "pack" know who they are time to come clean and put and end to this mess you have created with your modern day eoka mentality.

Lets see how they will ignore this post, the lack of response will only serve as proof of your guilt and shame which you do not have the character or back bone to put right.

[Svetlana]

Will all members please stick to the topic; the Cyprus Forum is not about discussing other Forum members.

Lana

[miltiades]

You can start by removing the blinkers and refer to the Republic of Cyprus as the rest of the world refers to .For your information , although I have emailed and received emails from many on this forum , I believe that Birk has never contacted me by email. I respect the man not only that he was born a few miles from where I was but also for being a real Cypriot without any hatred for any Cypriot , unlike you who is demonised by your own propaganda and constantly highlight the negative reasons as to why our island , or part of it , ought to be annexed to a foreign nation.

I just want to confirm that I have never emailed or PM-ed miltiades in this forum.And he has never contacted me that way. All our communication has been openly via the threads...
I should go on and state that VP might find it difficult to believe that some people function as individuals,but that would be fanning the suspicions about VP once again...

It appears that you are both in unison retreating into you shells after persecuting and condemning me, you are not addressing the issue either way, in order to set the record right you and your pack and ill list them for you should for a change do the decent thing and apologise for all the shit you have been posting against on this forum;

Birkıbrıslı, Miltiades, Pyro, Pits, Kikapu and anyone else who jumped on the band wagon.

These people should formally and clearly apologise with no snide remarks stating that they were wrong, what they were doing was vindictive and cruel, they labelled and accused me falsely of something that I am not in order to shut me up but when the time came to stand behind their convictions they all backed away making some feeble excuses or even trying to joke their way out of like they always do. As you can all read they have ignored the main content of my last posts picking on just once sentence to criticise, their egos are so inflated they cannot bring themselves to accept their wrong doings, doesn't this ring true of the Cyprus problem all together...accepting without excuse our wrongs in order to go forward not making the same mistakes. Well the "pack" know who they are time to come clean and put and end to this mess you have created with your modern day eoka mentality.

Lets see how they will ignore this post, the lack of response will only serve as proof of your guilt and shame which you do not have the character or back bone to put right.

What gave you the impression that anyone is retreating into their "shells". With every post that you make you attach comments and views that are blatant propaganda, I did promise that I will drop the subject , but I never said I withdraw one word of what I said . Your agenda is the same as that of Turkey and its puppet government , it is clear for all to see when you pick on the minutest detail to revert to your predetermined role. You are not expressing the views of a T/C but the views of your masters , I will drop it since there is really no way to prove me wrong , but will respond if you persist with your usual crap insulting my intelligence .

[zan]

I hope that you are going to afford the same stingent law to Piratis' confession Miltiades.
Piratis wrote:

Who have no shame are those that occupy our country and those traitors that help them. If you thought we would just sit and watch your paid propaganda engine fill in the forum with crap and not react to them then you are mistaken.

Come on Piratis give us some names. Or were you closed down at the last moment. Anger can sometimes give you away.

[miltiades]

Zan , I have always referred to North Cyprus as the occupied part of Cyprus in line with International protocol , including the UN and the EU. That this part of Cyprus is under the occupation of Turkey is an indisputable fact the world over excluding of course the occupiers nation. I have also stated many times that both the T/Cs and the G/Cs are the victims of their respective leadership of the time , as well the victims of incessant manipulation by schools , religious authorities and nationalistic elements. The efforts of our leaders after independence from Britain should have been directed towards building a nation that mirrored the two communities on equal terms each community sharing the new Cypriot identity. What did they do instead , the G/Cs remained committed to an idea that I personally find repulsive , and the T/Cs also committed to an idea that again I find repulsive.Hense , today , the overwhelming majority of G/Cs have seen the light and ENOSIS today means ANATHEMA even to the most ardent supporters of Greek heritage. Cyprus can flourish as an independent republic member of an ever increasing in influence EU , but I see that you and VP are hell bent on division . I have absolutely nothing against you or VP , I DISSAGREE VEHEMENTLY WITH ANY VIEWS THAT SUPPORT THE PERMANENT DIVISON OF OUR ISLAND. Im a passionate Cypriot and one who also understands that there are T/Cs and G/Cs all making up the Cypriot identity. I understand that it is perfectly reasonable , and expected , that the G/Cs will support the Greek team playing against the Turkish team which will have the support of the T/Cs .NOTHING WRONG IN THAT.
What however would be wrong is Cyprus playing either Turkey or Greece and not enjoying the support off all Cypriots.

Please also note , in none of my 2100 plus posts have deviated from my pronounced stand on the Cyprop.
You along with VP and his entire Cypriot department are my compatriots , I will fight for what is correct not for what is to the benefit of the G/Cs or the T/Cs. The continued isolation of the occupied part does not please me one bit. The alternative , ie recognition , I consider anathema that will in the future lead to conflict pain and suffering for our people , because I know that the overwhelming majority of the Cypriots will not accept the annexation of their island to Turkey.The children of today will be manipulated and made to focus on the part of Cyprus that they will always consider occupied by Turkey. They will grow up with hatred in their hearts and this poison will one day spill out to infect all of Cyprus.
We need to unite , we need our voices to be heard , we need to tell our leaders that what we want is unity not division.

[zan]

Zan , I have always referred to North Cyprus as the occupied part of Cyprus in line with International protocol , including the UN and the EU. That this part of Cyprus is under the occupation of Turkey is an indisputable fact the world over excluding of course the occupiers nation. I have also stated many times that both the T/Cs and the G/Cs are the victims of their respective leadership of the time , as well the victims of incessant manipulation by schools , religious authorities and nationalistic elements. The efforts of our leaders after independence from Britain should have been directed towards building a nation that mirrored the two communities on equal terms each community sharing the new Cypriot identity. What did they do instead , the G/Cs remained committed to an idea that I personally find repulsive , and the T/Cs also committed to an idea that again I find repulsive.Hense , today , the overwhelming majority of G/Cs have seen the light and ENOSIS today means ANATHEMA even to the most ardent supporters of Greek heritage. Cyprus can flourish as an independent republic member of an ever increasing in influence EU , but I see that you and VP are hell bent on division . I have absolutely nothing against you or VP , I DISSAGREE VEHEMENTLY WITH ANY VIEWS THAT SUPPORT THE PERMANENT DIVISON OF OUR ISLAND. Im a passionate Cypriot and one who also understands that there are T/Cs and G/Cs all making up the Cypriot identity. I understand that it is perfectly reasonable , and expected , that the G/Cs will support the Greek team playing against the Turkish team which will have the support of the T/Cs .NOTHING WRONG IN THAT.
What however would be wrong is Cyprus playing either Turkey or Greece and not enjoying the support off all Cypriots.

Please also note , in none of my 2100 plus posts have deviated from my pronounced stand on the Cyprop.
You along with VP and his entire Cypriot department are my compatriots , I will fight for what is correct not for what is to the benefit of the G/Cs or the T/Cs. The continued isolation of the occupied part does not please me one bit. The alternative , ie recognition , I consider anathema that will in the future lead to conflict pain and suffering for our people , because I know that the overwhelming majority of the Cypriots will not accept the annexation of their island to Turkey.The children of today will be manipulated and made to focus on the part of Cyprus that they will always consider occupied by Turkey. They will grow up with hatred in their hearts and this poison will one day spill out to infect all of Cyprus.
We need to unite , we need our voices to be heard , we need to tell our leaders that what we want is unity not division.

In short what you are saying is that you will side with Piratis and kill those of us that stand up for our rights and our way of thinking, when you get the chance. Your rights for a United Cyprus regardless of what that entails are greater than our rights as a people that have been persecuted for over 40 years. Well in that case unless something changes drastically war is imminent and we must do everything we can to ensure that Turkey stays put. It dose make our job easier to know these truths in that we will be fighting against the GC people in general and not just against the fascists as we had to do since the republic was established. Have you seen my latest thread???

[Pyrpolizer]

Where has he said he will kill you?
All your opinion counts is just a vote. You and VP are insignifigant minorities, so yes in the end your opinion will not count and simply put in the trash can. If you consider that "killing" your vote, go scream and cry to your Denktash fat mama