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[miltiades]

I believe the cancer foundation is the same one that Phanourios a few weeks back requested donations.
Cancer donations should be voluntary and not dependant up on the outcome of the answer of VPs department.
Phanos perhaps can email me to confirm that this is the foundation to which I previously donated. Judging by the advice that Zan gave you """Under no circumstances should you do that VP "" meaning of course visit the RoC , Zan , as intelligent as he thinks he is , has betrayed VPs by this statement. The cancer foundation in the occupied part of Cyprus must not loose out , I ask that Phanos please contact me and we will arrange a donation not based on VPs having to prove the impossible.

Am I sensing a chickening out miltiades, you said a charity of my choice you cannot tell me which one?

zan would never betray me I think he was referring to me running down the street naked

You are all running scared

when are you coming to the TRNC miltiades? so I can show you around my work place my home and take you for a meal in Kyrenia? I want to apologise continously for your stupidity and make an offical apology on this forum.

Yes VP I said a charity of your choice and you proposed the Cancer Society in Northern Cyprus , perfectly a good cause , I merely asked if this is the same one that Phanouriors requested donations for some weeks back and I donated £100.00 .Perhaps Phanourios can confirm this is the same one , the " bet " is still on , and I would not wish to be photographed by any newspaper or other publicity. Cancer work is very close to my heart having lost a sister to cancer and with my wife fighting this dreadful decease for 5 years now. I will do what ever I can here in the UK to raise money for the Turkish Cypriot victims of cancer and I hope Phanourios will email me.

Why is it so important to find out if it is the same charity? dont forget Pyros 50.000 pounds that Kikapu confirms he has pledged.

The photo shoot would be good for TC GC relations dont you think? your visit to the TRNC and details of this challenge and all the shit that went on before would make good reading dont you think?? We can have Fanos cover the story for BRT.

My pledge stands ! The cancer charity organization , being the recipient of funds can be Turkish Cypriot , Turkish , Greek Cypriot , or any other registered charity irrespective of the ethnicity of the patients for whose interest such worthwhile organizations provide. Cancer knows no religion , no age no ethnicity .
I merely requested to know if the cancer society that you proposed was the same one as the one promoted by Phanourios. As you know all charities have to be registered and all have a registration number issued by their respective administrative bodies. A charity registered in occupied Cyprus is just as much a charity as any other world charity , I make this clear. So lets have you VP , Your proof that you are not a member of an organization of the "TRNC" whose agenda is to discredit the G/Cs and to convince all that the two communities can not co habit and hence only partition or annexation by Turkey can be a solution . Prove it , any suggestions how ?

[miltiades]

You guys are just fakes You are asked to put your money where your mouths are and to finally put a stop to this bickering (that I am fed up with) and you start to squirm like worms. The man will meet you in person or as he says, he will meet Kikapus relative/s to stop the bickering from both sides and you still doubt him. You are just trying to get him to give you personal details so that you can report him back to your EOKA leader. You guys are just pathetic cowards.

Zan you just confirmed what VPs do for a living , you open your mouth without thinking first by insinuating that if the ROC found out what VP does for a living maybe he would be arrested !!!!!!!
You are full of shit , I never thought that you would stoop so low and absorb so much crap from your propaganda department. You are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that all the shit written by
propaganda channels are facts !! Why should be VP encounter any risk of an arrest or hindrance by visiting the RoC where thousands of T/Cs visit on a daily basis in order to attend the hospitals or to earn a living. Are you convinced that VP runs a real risk , then you know what he does so put up or shut up. You commit yourself big man and pledge £1000.00 if I'm proven wrong.Let me just finish by saying that unlike you I do not take crap from the RoC propaganda department and have asked many times that they pull their finger out stop pissing about and get on with telling our Cypriot brothers that they are indeed our brothers , not just a bloody minority but equal Cypriots in every walk of life . And it does not mean capitulating and recognising one inch of occupied Cyprus as a separate nation.

Have you had your coffee yet this morning.....You are still seeing what you want to see. Can I ask you.........Do you think that there are any GC ultra nationalists reading this forum????????? I expected more maturity from you on this name calling thing but you have proved time and time again that is all you are good at. Your bluff has been called, give it a rest.

Zan , name calling is sometimes imperative when faced with absurdities such as you and VPs. What bluff are you referring to. My pledge is valid and still stands , VP has an opportunity to disprove what he has been accused of being. Its a mater of honour if such a virtue exists in the propaganda charter. As for him inviting me to come along to the occupied part of Cyprus as Miltiades , and present my self to a total stranger that could be anyone of 200 thousand or so inhabitants as proof then he is barking up the wrong tree. I have a suggestion of how he can disprove the allegations and I will post it should he fail to come up with a sensible scenario. As for you , you have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that hatred is an emotion you thrive upon , hatred of people that are your compatriots , I may call you names but I would never in a million years hate a Cypriot.

[Viewpoint]

I believe the cancer foundation is the same one that Phanourios a few weeks back requested donations.
Cancer donations should be voluntary and not dependant up on the outcome of the answer of VPs department.
Phanos perhaps can email me to confirm that this is the foundation to which I previously donated. Judging by the advice that Zan gave you """Under no circumstances should you do that VP "" meaning of course visit the RoC , Zan , as intelligent as he thinks he is , has betrayed VPs by this statement. The cancer foundation in the occupied part of Cyprus must not loose out , I ask that Phanos please contact me and we will arrange a donation not based on VPs having to prove the impossible.

Am I sensing a chickening out miltiades, you said a charity of my choice you cannot tell me which one?

zan would never betray me I think he was referring to me running down the street naked

You are all running scared

when are you coming to the TRNC miltiades? so I can show you around my work place my home and take you for a meal in Kyrenia? I want to apologise continously for your stupidity and make an offical apology on this forum.

Yes VP I said a charity of your choice and you proposed the Cancer Society in Northern Cyprus , perfectly a good cause , I merely asked if this is the same one that Phanouriors requested donations for some weeks back and I donated £100.00 .Perhaps Phanourios can confirm this is the same one , the " bet " is still on , and I would not wish to be photographed by any newspaper or other publicity. Cancer work is very close to my heart having lost a sister to cancer and with my wife fighting this dreadful decease for 5 years now. I will do what ever I can here in the UK to raise money for the Turkish Cypriot victims of cancer and I hope Phanourios will email me.

Why is it so important to find out if it is the same charity? dont forget Pyros 50.000 pounds that Kikapu confirms he has pledged.

The photo shoot would be good for TC GC relations dont you think? your visit to the TRNC and details of this challenge and all the shit that went on before would make good reading dont you think?? We can have Fanos cover the story for BRT.

My pledge stands ! The cancer charity organization , being the recipient of funds can be Turkish Cypriot , Turkish , Greek Cypriot , or any other registered charity irrespective of the ethnicity of the patients for whose interest such worthwhile organizations provide. Cancer knows no religion , no age no ethnicity .
I merely requested to know if the cancer society that you proposed was the same one as the one promoted by Phanourios. As you know all charities have to be registered and all have a registration number issued by their respective administrative bodies. A charity registered in occupied Cyprus is just as much a charity as any other world charity , I make this clear. So lets have you VP , Your proof that you are not a member of an organization of the "TRNC" whose agenda is to discredit the G/Cs and to convince all that the two communities can not co habit and hence only partition or annexation by Turkey can be a solution . Prove it , any suggestions how ?

You can do all the research you wish on the designated charity ask any of your TC friends about Kemal Saraçoğlu Foundation. This being the week for pensioners/elderly we can also donate this amount to the old peoples home in support of those old TCs you lived so happily with back in the good old days.

Unless we meet in the TRNC how will I prove how stupid you have been and that you will pay up? You then must inform everyone including the twisted and paranoid Pyro that I have absoulutely nothing to do with the TRNC government or that my opinions are no more than my own. But you have to apologise over and over again and eat humble pie as you are with Pyro the leaders of the pack.

[Viewpoint]

You guys are just fakes You are asked to put your money where your mouths are and to finally put a stop to this bickering (that I am fed up with) and you start to squirm like worms. The man will meet you in person or as he says, he will meet Kikapus relative/s to stop the bickering from both sides and you still doubt him. You are just trying to get him to give you personal details so that you can report him back to your EOKA leader. You guys are just pathetic cowards.

Zan you just confirmed what VPs do for a living , you open your mouth without thinking first by insinuating that if the ROC found out what VP does for a living maybe he would be arrested !!!!!!!
You are full of shit , I never thought that you would stoop so low and absorb so much crap from your propaganda department. You are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that all the shit written by
propaganda channels are facts !! Why should be VP encounter any risk of an arrest or hindrance by visiting the RoC where thousands of T/Cs visit on a daily basis in order to attend the hospitals or to earn a living. Are you convinced that VP runs a real risk , then you know what he does so put up or shut up. You commit yourself big man and pledge £1000.00 if I'm proven wrong.Let me just finish by saying that unlike you I do not take crap from the RoC propaganda department and have asked many times that they pull their finger out stop pissing about and get on with telling our Cypriot brothers that they are indeed our brothers , not just a bloody minority but equal Cypriots in every walk of life . And it does not mean capitulating and recognising one inch of occupied Cyprus as a separate nation.

Have you had your coffee yet this morning.....You are still seeing what you want to see. Can I ask you.........Do you think that there are any GC ultra nationalists reading this forum????????? I expected more maturity from you on this name calling thing but you have proved time and time again that is all you are good at. Your bluff has been called, give it a rest.

Zan , name calling is sometimes imperative when faced with absurdities such as you and VPs. What bluff are you referring to. My pledge is valid and still stands , VP has an opportunity to disprove what he has been accused of being. Its a mater of honour if such a virtue exists in the propaganda charter. As for him inviting me to come along to the occupied part of Cyprus as Miltiades , and present my self to a total stranger that could be anyone of 200 thousand or so inhabitants as proof then he is barking up the wrong tree. I have a suggestion of how he can disprove the allegations and I will post it should he fail to come up with a sensible scenario. As for you , you have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that hatred is an emotion you thrive upon , hatred of people that are your compatriots , I may call you names but I would never in a million years hate a Cypriot.

So its fine to call us all the names under the sun accuse of being things we are not but just because you say you do not hate us everything is ok, miltiades please dont insult our intelligence, this is not a school playground nor are we children.

[zan]

You guys are just fakes You are asked to put your money where your mouths are and to finally put a stop to this bickering (that I am fed up with) and you start to squirm like worms. The man will meet you in person or as he says, he will meet Kikapus relative/s to stop the bickering from both sides and you still doubt him. You are just trying to get him to give you personal details so that you can report him back to your EOKA leader. You guys are just pathetic cowards.

Zan you just confirmed what VPs do for a living , you open your mouth without thinking first by insinuating that if the ROC found out what VP does for a living maybe he would be arrested !!!!!!!
You are full of shit , I never thought that you would stoop so low and absorb so much crap from your propaganda department. You are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that all the shit written by
propaganda channels are facts !! Why should be VP encounter any risk of an arrest or hindrance by visiting the RoC where thousands of T/Cs visit on a daily basis in order to attend the hospitals or to earn a living. Are you convinced that VP runs a real risk , then you know what he does so put up or shut up. You commit yourself big man and pledge £1000.00 if I'm proven wrong.Let me just finish by saying that unlike you I do not take crap from the RoC propaganda department and have asked many times that they pull their finger out stop pissing about and get on with telling our Cypriot brothers that they are indeed our brothers , not just a bloody minority but equal Cypriots in every walk of life . And it does not mean capitulating and recognising one inch of occupied Cyprus as a separate nation.

Have you had your coffee yet this morning.....You are still seeing what you want to see. Can I ask you.........Do you think that there are any GC ultra nationalists reading this forum????????? I expected more maturity from you on this name calling thing but you have proved time and time again that is all you are good at. Your bluff has been called, give it a rest.

Zan , name calling is sometimes imperative when faced with absurdities such as you and VPs. What bluff are you referring to. My pledge is valid and still stands , VP has an opportunity to disprove what he has been accused of being. Its a mater of honour if such a virtue exists in the propaganda charter. As for him inviting me to come along to the occupied part of Cyprus as Miltiades , and present my self to a total stranger that could be anyone of 200 thousand or so inhabitants as proof then he is barking up the wrong tree. I have a suggestion of how he can disprove the allegations and I will post it should he fail to come up with a sensible scenario. As for you , you have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that hatred is an emotion you thrive upon , hatred of people that are your compatriots , I may call you names but I would never in a million years hate a Cypriot.

You are right in some aspects of me hating. I have never really been capable of such harsh feelings before, especially to my cousin GCs. What I hate now is the way some of you make me feel about these same GCs. I hate the way I now have to avoid talking to my one and only real GC friend that I have because I cannot tell him about some of the people I have encountered on these forums. I hate the fact that I walked into a flat today with Cyprus memorabilia all over the walls and I feared talking to this woman as a Cypriot because I no longer feel confident that she will not kick me out of her flat just for being a Turkish Cypriot. (I don't look particularly Cypriot like although as I am getting older it is becoming more obvious for some reason). I fear you when I tell you time and time again that I do not hate GCs but the GCs in charge that are showing so much animosity against my people. I hate it when you guys inadvertently lie to make your point. You attach your selves to certain points that does nothing to address the situation that exists today and has done for decades. I hate the fact that you choose Turkey as the scapegoat for your sins and why we cannot just turn back the clock and let people walk back into homes as if nothing has happened. I hate the fact that you call yourselves Cypriots but fail to realise that your Greek Cypriotism does not cover my Turkish Cypriotism. I hate the fact that greed is the only thing hat drives people to constantly class themselves as refugees when that status has long been diluted. I hate he fact that these same people are not just satisfied with a possible return but are demanding millions to satisfy their greed. I hate the fact that you are ready to put us through greater hardships and senseless emotional stress in order to reclaim your textbook human rights. I hate the organised groups that attack everything we try to do. I hate these feelings I have and so much more. In all of that I still can't bring myself to hate you.

[Viewpoint]

Well said zan, you expressed my feelings exactly my friend....Bravo

[Pyrpolizer]

So you hate our everything but not us?

[MR-from-NG]

Zan

You are right in some aspects of me hating. I have never really been capable of such harsh feelings before, especially to my cousin GCs. What I hate now is the way some of you make me feel about these same GCs. I hate the way I now have to avoid talking to my one and only real GC friend that I have because I cannot tell him about some of the people I have encountered on these forums. I hate the fact that I walked into a flat today with Cyprus memorabilia all over the walls and I feared talking to this woman as a Cypriot because I no longer feel confident that she will not kick me out of her flat just for being a Turkish Cypriot. (I don't look particularly Cypriot like although as I am getting older it is becoming more obvious for some reason). I fear you when I tell you time and time again that I do not hate GCs but the GCs in charge that are showing so much animosity against my people. I hate it when you guys inadvertently lie to make your point. You attach your selves to certain points that does nothing to address the situation that exists today and has done for decades. I hate the fact that you choose Turkey as the scapegoat for your sins and why we cannot just turn back the clock and let people walk back into homes as if nothing has happened. I hate the fact that you call yourselves Cypriots but fail to realise that your Greek Cypriotism does not cover my Turkish Cypriotism. I hate the fact that greed is the only thing hat drives people to constantly class themselves as refugees when that status has long been diluted. I hate he fact that these same people are not just satisfied with a possible return but are demanding millions to satisfy their greed. I hate the fact that you are ready to put us through greater hardships and senseless emotional stress in order to reclaim your textbook human rights. I hate the organised groups that attack everything we try to do. I hate these feelings I have and so much more. In all of that I still can't bring myself to hate you.

Bravo Zan. I couldn't have put it better myself.

[Pyrpolizer]

Unless we meet in the TRNC how will I prove how stupid you have been and that you will pay up? You then must inform everyone including the twisted and paranoid Pyro that I have absoulutely nothing to do with the TRNC government or that my opinions are no more than my own. But you have to apologise over and over again and eat humble pie as you are with Pyro the leaders of the pack.

[MR-from-NG]

I'll be in Cyprus between 2-9 April. If by some coincidence my dear friend Miltiades is there too, perhaps we can meet up with VP for a beer. And anybody else for that matter.