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[polis]

Why so many strangers in the house Zan? Do you know ANY, and I mean ANY Cypriot woman (or Turkish woman) having so many guests in the house while HER HUSBAND was away?????

Especially in the 60s when the society was so conservative that every woman who was just smoking was considered "a whore"?

I don't.

NB.Someone said some killers spoke Greek and and some Turkish, no?

You really have no idea have you. :roll: There was caos and people were trying to hide where ever they could from the advancing murderous Greeks. Maybe just maybe these visitors as you like to call them were offered a safe place to hide. It turns out that it was not safe at all. You have the worst detective mind I have ever seen and can only be explained by your blind attempt at blaming everything on the TCs and trying to divert the masacres away from murdering Greeks. Every thing is so easy for you. Blame Turkey and if that does not work blame the TCs and then you blame VP and others like him for not wanting to live with you. We have seen your pack mentality and we do not want it. :roll:

Not true. According to the "official account" (http://www.pubinfo.gov.nc.tr/n4.htm) Ilhan's wife had five people for dinner while her husband was away. Four of them allegedly hid with Mrs Ilhan and her children in a small bathroom. The attackers allegedly rushed in the room and "emptied their guns" at point blank range on all 8 persons in the bathroom until they thought they were all dead.l Miracously, all but the members of the Ilhan family survived!

As the official account goes, the gunmen having indiscriminately "emptied their [machine] guns" on nine nine people, 4 of whom were children and three more women, and left all nine of them for dead, then continue their attack on the remaining civilians of the Turkish neighbourhood. A few more hours of gunfighint occured during which time no more victims were claimed other than two Turkish Cypriots who opened fired on the Greek Cypriot gunment and got killed in the ensuing gunfight!

Is anyone really, seriously, expected to believe this story? And yet the Mr Ilhan claims he does. Doesn't that sound fishy to you?

The things we can say for certain about the particular incident are these:

a. The alleged eye witness is lying through his teeth.
b. The Greek Cypriot operation that took place the same day as the killing allegedly occured was clearly not associated with the death of Mrs Ilhan and her children.
c. Whoever attacked the Mrs Ilhan and her children, wherever the particular attack got place and under whichever circumstances it took place, intended only to kill Mrs Ilhan, her children an no-one else.

You make it sound as if the others were not even scratched. They were all wounded. Is that not consistant with rappid fire from a machine gun quickly done so that the murderers got away. As you can see in the picture the children were in the bath right in front of the doorway so the gunfire would be aimed at them first.

The gunmen allegedly entered a room occupied by eight unarmed civilians, of whom four were childen and three were women. They shot at all eight people in the bathroom emptying their machine guns on them and didn't stop until they thought everyone was dead. They certainly didn't need to aim at anyone in particular when they entered the bathroom. And if indeed they wanted to get away with murder they had every reason to stay around until they were sure that everone was dead. Yet out of the eight people who had a number of machine guns emptied in their bodies at point blank range until they were considered dead, only the members of the Ilhan family were fatally wounded! And even though the gunmen continued their attack on the neighbourhood, no other civilians were shot. The story is just a poor lie just like your story about believing this account of events.

[zan]

You see what you want to see and that is your biased opinion. You are taking the end result and making up a story that suits. What actually happened does not concern you or your conscience. My cousins van was riddled with bullets two weeks before Turkey intervened. He was not scratched. Perhaps he did it himself.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

First Zan writes...

It makes me go cold when I read that. My mum chose to hide us in the bathroom of our house as well. We were not rich enough to have a proper bath but a Gazan. She covered us with clothes and sheets to hide us.

Then he writes lol...

I still don't get what that Pyro is getting at either. My dad was in the army and gone for weeks at a time. We did not sit about and see no one when he was away, We had friends round for meals and things?????????? Inspector Cleuso does it again.

Either his dad really WAS in the Turkish army which explains the warped propaganda that he constantly types...

OR

...he has some kinda weird fixation with making up stories to be compared to the kids slaughtered in the bathroom. Eitherway, it all sounds a bit dubious to me.


Zan, tell us about your dad who was in the Turkish army then.

[zan]

First Zan writes...

It makes me go cold when I read that. My mum chose to hide us in the bathroom of our house as well. We were not rich enough to have a proper bath but a Gazan. She covered us with clothes and sheets to hide us.

Then he writes lol...

I still don't get what that Pyro is getting at either. My dad was in the army and gone for weeks at a time. We did not sit about and see no one when he was away, We had friends round for meals and things?????????? Inspector Cleuso does it again.

Either his dad really WAS in the Turkish army which explains the warped propaganda that he constantly types...

OR

...he has some kinda weird fixation with making up stories to be compared to the kids slaughtered in the bathroom. Eitherway, it all sounds a bit dubious to me.

Zan, tell us about your dad who was in the Turkish army then.

Do you remember the British army old chap?????


He was a dog handler in the British army. OK sweaty?????????

[polis]

You see what you want to see and that is your biased opinion. You are taking the end result and making up a story that suits. What actually happened does not concern you or your conscience. My cousins van was riddled with bullets two weeks before Turkey intervened. He was not scratched. Perhaps he did it himself.

We are talking facts Zan. The one thing we know for sure is that the Greek Cypriots who carried out the particular operation killed no civilians. Yet a day aftet the attack, Denktash invites journalists in a house in the Turkish Cypriot neigbourghood of Nicosia to photograph a poor woman and her three children lying dead in a bathtab and uses this as his main propaganda ploy to promote the cause of partition. Didn't you ever want to know the truth about what happened to Mrs Ilhan?

[zan]

You see what you want to see and that is your biased opinion. You are taking the end result and making up a story that suits. What actually happened does not concern you or your conscience. My cousins van was riddled with bullets two weeks before Turkey intervened. He was not scratched. Perhaps he did it himself.

We are talking facts Zan. The one thing we know for sure is that the Greek Cypriots who carried out the particular operation killed no civilians. Yet a day aftet the attack, Denktash invites journalists in a house in the Turkish Cypriot neigbourghood of Nicosia to photograph a poor woman and her three children lying dead in a bathtab and uses this as his main propaganda ploy to promote the cause of partition. Didn't you ever want to know the truth about what happened to Mrs Ilhan?

Oh yeah! And we needed to kill our own women and children in order to give us a reason to push for partition. I think Makarios did enough in that respect. I already know what happened in that house on that day mate and it was Greek murderers that did it.....End of. You coming here with truths that you only believe is not something that I will subscribe to. The machine guns were the sole property of the Greeks. On that night the TCs were using shot guns and home made rifles. My mum and dad remember sitting and listening to the fighting going on on that night and after. Machine gun meant the Greeks were attacking and single shot meant the TC were defending. Simple and conclusive. Game set and match I would say. Maybe Pyros detective work is rubbing off on me. I just happen to be doing a better job of it.

[T_C]

Polis you are really getting me mad over here! Do you really believe the Greek version of events which claim that Nihal Ilhan killed his own family in a "state of amock" and that Denktas then put them in the bath and said "These dead are usefull to us, through them, our voice will be heard around the world".

What about the witness whos own wife also got shot and killed, do you think he LIED about the death of his OWN WIFE to aid Denktas and his agenda?

What about the little child that survived? Has she been pretending to have a limp all her life for Denktas too?

So hang on what you're saying is that Nihat Ilhan killed his wife and kids, and the other witness who lost his wife in the incident killed his wife too? You stupid ignorant man!

[polis]

Polis you are really getting me mad over here! Do you really believe the Greek version of events which claim that Nihal Ilhan killed his own family in a "state of amock" and that Denktas then put them in the bath and said "These dead are usefull to us, through them, our voice will be heard around the world".

What about the witness whos own wife also got shot and killed, do you think he LIED about the death of his OWN WIFE to aid Denktas and his agenda?

What about the little child that survived? Has she been pretending to have a limp all her life for Denktas too?

So hang on what you're saying is that Nihat Ilhan killed his wife and kids, and the other witness who lost his wife in the incident killed his wife too? You stupid ignorant man!

No you moron. What I am saying is that you have to be a complete idiot to actually believe the TMT version of events.

In fact your patrons are so secure with their story, that they had to fly in Ilhan just to intimidate those who question the story into silence.

[T_C]

Polis you are really getting me mad over here! Do you really believe the Greek version of events which claim that Nihal Ilhan killed his own family in a "state of amock" and that Denktas then put them in the bath and said "These dead are usefull to us, through them, our voice will be heard around the world".

What about the witness whos own wife also got shot and killed, do you think he LIED about the death of his OWN WIFE to aid Denktas and his agenda?

What about the little child that survived? Has she been pretending to have a limp all her life for Denktas too?

So hang on what you're saying is that Nihat Ilhan killed his wife and kids, and the other witness who lost his wife in the incident killed his wife too? You stupid ignorant man!

No you moron. What I am saying is that you have to be a complete idiot to actually believe the TMT version of events.

In fact your patrons are so secure with their story, that they had to fly in Ilhan just to intimidate those who question the story into silence.

You're the moron mate. You can't even accept that GCs killed these people and you find it better to just dissmiss it in anyway you can then to just say it was wrong and a fault of the GCs.

As for Mr Ilhan, those who question the story are claiming HE KILLED HIS FAMILY! If that were you wouldn't you speak up??? It's not the TMT's version of events, its the witness' story, he was there, his wife got killed also. You too have obviously been infected with the propaganda you're so quick to accuse the TCs of suffering from.

[polis]

You see what you want to see and that is your biased opinion. You are taking the end result and making up a story that suits. What actually happened does not concern you or your conscience. My cousins van was riddled with bullets two weeks before Turkey intervened. He was not scratched. Perhaps he did it himself. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

We are talking facts Zan. The one thing we know for sure is that the Greek Cypriots who carried out the particular operation killed no civilians. Yet a day aftet the attack, Denktash invites journalists in a house in the Turkish Cypriot neigbourghood of Nicosia to photograph a poor woman and her three children lying dead in a bathtab and uses this as his main propaganda ploy to promote the cause of partition. Didn't you ever want to know the truth about what happened to Mrs Ilhan?

Oh yeah! And we needed to kill our own women and children in order to give us a reason to push for partition. I think Makarios did enough in that respect. I already know what happened in that house on that day mate and it was Greek murderers that did it.....End of. You coming here with truths that you only believe is not something that I will subscribe to. The machine guns were the sole property of the Greeks. On that night the TCs were using shot guns and home made rifles. My mum and dad remember sitting and listening to the fighting going on on that night and after. Machine gun meant the Greeks were attacking and single shot meant the TC were defending. Simple and conclusive. Game set and match I would say. Maybe Pyros detective work is rubbing off on me. I just happen to be doing a better job of it.

Then your mom and dad may have also told you that during the fighting no massacres of civilians occured even though the Greek Cypriot gunmen had hundreds of Turkish Cypriot civilians at their mercy. Yet a couple of days later Denktash was happily inviting photographers to photograph the Ilhan family dead in their bathroom.