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[Pyrpolizer]

Yeah don't forget to pass your advices to the other crying pussies of your pack
They keep waiting you teriffied in their cave.




Goooood!

[Kikapu]

Just to further Pyro's thought about the guess in the house. I believed all these years, naturally of course, because that's what we were told by others, that it was the Greeks that killed these people in the bath tub, but then comes few questions to mind. If these murderous Greeks as Zan stated were the guilty ones, why would they leave anyone alive, to become witnesses. Obviously the killers came to kill in such horrendous way, why not have a even bigger one, by searching the house and killing everyone. It appears, there was a witness left to live and tell their story.

I'm just curious.

[Pyrpolizer]

Careful Kikapu you will be accused of trying to harm Turkey and her devoted supporters by asking questions.

[askimwos]

TMT's killings of TCs and sabotages against TC property in order to blame the other side are well known and documented. There have been several incidents like these and at least for a couple of them there has been official admittance by Dektash himself.
However, I don't believe that this particular incidence is not true as it is also well known what those EOKA B' and Grivas thugs were cabable of.

[zan]

Just to further Pyro's thought about the guess in the house. I believed all these years, naturally of course, because that's what we were told by others, that it was the Greeks that killed these people in the bath tub, but then comes few questions to mind. If these murderous Greeks as Zan stated were the guilty ones, why would they leave anyone alive, to become witnesses. Obviously the killers came to kill in such horrendous way, why not have a even bigger one, by searching the house and killing everyone. It appears, there was a witness left to live and tell their story.

I'm just curious.

Maybe if they had the time they could have also written in blood " IT was the Turks".


And what would you rather have me call the Greeks that murdered these people Kikapu......Peace makers?


Can you for one minute put yourself in a situation where you can imagine what happened. The murderers carried this thing out as quickly as possible. There was fighting and gunfire going on all over the area. We must have beaten them back from that position, although I am not 100% sure what happened afterwards, because I was taken to the house when the blood was still warm.....Almost. I can still remember the smell and the gunfire.

[T_C]

This is the survivors story:

Mr. Hasan Yusuf Gudum, an eye witness, who himself was wounded during the same terrible event, relates the sad incident as follows :
"On the night of the 24th of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan and I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat ilhan. Our neighbours Mrs. Ayshe of Mora, her daughter lshin and Mrs. Ayshe's sister Novber were also with us. We were all having supper. All of a sudden bullets from the Pedieos River direction started to riddle the house, sounding like heavy rain. Thinking that the dining-room where we were sitting was dangerous, we ran to the bathroom and toilet which we thought would be safer. Altogether we were nine persons. We all hid in the bathroom except my wife who took refuge in the toilet. We waited in fear. Mrs. ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing in the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her arms. Suddenly with a great noise we heard the front door open. Greeks had come in and were combing, every corner of the house with their machine gun bullets. During these moments I heard a voice saying, in Greek "You want Taksim eh!" and then bullets started flying in the bathroom. Mrs. ilhan and her three children fell into the bath. They were shot. At this moment the Greeks, who broke into the bathroom, emptied their guns on us again. I heard one of the Major's children moan, then I fainted.
I remained unconscious for 2 or 3 hours, and later, I saw Mrs. Ilhan and her three children lying dead in the bath. I and the rest of the neighbours in the bathroom were all seriously wounded. But what had happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to the toilet, where, in the doorway, I saw her body. She was brutally murdered.
In the street amist the sound of shots I heard voices crying "Help, help. Is there no one to save us?" I became terrified. I thought that if the Greeks came again and found that I was not dead they would kill me. So I ran to the bedroom and hid myself under the double-bed.
An hour passed by. In the distance I could still hear shots. My mouth was dry, so I came out from under the bed and drank some water. Then I put some sweets in my pocket and went back to the bathroom, which was exactly as I had left it an hour ago. There I offered sweets to Mrs. Ayshe her daughter and Mrs. Novber who were all wounded.
We waited in the bathroom until 5 o'clock in the morning. I thought morning would never come. We were all wounded and needed to be taken to hospital. Finally, as we could walk, Mrs. Novber and 1, went out into the street hoping to find help and walked as far as Koshklu Chiftlik. There, we met some people who took us to hospital where we were operated on. When I regained consciousness I said that there were more wounded in the house and they went and brought Mrs. Ayshe and her daughter.
After staying three days in the hospital I was sent by plane to Ankara for further treatment. There I have had four months treatment but still I cannot use my arm. On my return to Cyprus, Greeks arrested me at the Airport.
All related to you above, I told the Greeks during my detention. They then released me. - - "

[Kikapu]

Just to further Pyro's thought about the guess in the house. I believed all these years, naturally of course, because that's what we were told by others, that it was the Greeks that killed these people in the bath tub, but then comes few questions to mind. If these murderous Greeks as Zan stated were the guilty ones, why would they leave anyone alive, to become witnesses. Obviously the killers came to kill in such horrendous way, why not have a even bigger one, by searching the house and killing everyone. It appears, there was a witness left to live and tell their story.

I'm just curious.

Maybe if they had the time they could have also written in blood " IT was the Turks".


And what would you rather have me call the Greeks that murdered these people Kikapu......Peace makers?


Can you for one minute put yourself in a situation where you can imagine what happened. The murderers carried this thing out as quickly as possible. There was fighting and gunfire going on all over the area. We must have beaten them back from that position, although I am not 100% sure what happened afterwards, because I was taken to the house when the blood was still warm.....Almost. I can still remember the smell and the gunfire.

That's what I'm talking about. It was at the beginning of the fighting, so there were really no resistance to any killers by the TC's, so therefore, I don't think lack of time was the factor for the killers, to kill everyone in the house.

I'm just asking , that's all.

[T_C]

This is a capture from video footage of the bath incident, theres people lying on the floor, I dont think everyone survived.

[polis]

Why so many strangers in the house Zan? Do you know ANY, and I mean ANY Cypriot woman (or Turkish woman) having so many guests in the house while HER HUSBAND was away?????

Especially in the 60s when the society was so conservative that every woman who was just smoking was considered "a whore"?

I don't.

NB.Someone said some killers spoke Greek and and some Turkish, no?

You really have no idea have you. :roll: There was caos and people were trying to hide where ever they could from the advancing murderous Greeks. Maybe just maybe these visitors as you like to call them were offered a safe place to hide. It turns out that it was not safe at all. You have the worst detective mind I have ever seen and can only be explained by your blind attempt at blaming everything on the TCs and trying to divert the masacres away from murdering Greeks. Every thing is so easy for you. Blame Turkey and if that does not work blame the TCs and then you blame VP and others like him for not wanting to live with you. We have seen your pack mentality and we do not want it. :roll:

Not true. According to the "official account" (http://www.pubinfo.gov.nc.tr/n4.htm) Ilhan's wife had five people for dinner while her husband was away. Four of them allegedly hid with Mrs Ilhan and her children in a small bathroom. The attackers allegedly rushed in the room and "emptied their guns" at point blank range on all 8 persons in the bathroom until they thought they were all dead.l Miracously, all but the members of the Ilhan family survived!

As the official account goes, the gunmen having indiscriminately "emptied their [machine] guns" on nine nine people, 4 of whom were children and three more women, and left all nine of them for dead, then continue their attack on the remaining civilians of the Turkish neighbourhood. A few more hours of gunfighint occured during which time no more victims were claimed other than two Turkish Cypriots who opened fired on the Greek Cypriot gunment and got killed in the ensuing gunfight!

Is anyone really, seriously, expected to believe this story? And yet the Mr Ilhan claims he does. Doesn't that sound fishy to you?

The things we can say for certain about the particular incident are these:

a. The alleged eye witness is lying through his teeth.
b. The Greek Cypriot operation that took place the same day as the killing allegedly occured was clearly not associated with the death of Mrs Ilhan and her children.
c. Whoever attacked the Mrs Ilhan and her children, wherever the particular attack got place and under whichever circumstances it took place, intended only to kill Mrs Ilhan, her children an no-one else.

[polis]

This is a capture from video footage of the bath incident, theres people lying on the floor, I dont think everyone survived.

The photographs were taken days after the alleged incident.