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[askimwos]

Are you saying that TC tour operators will not be at a disadvantage as the control of the tourist would initially be in the GC control as they would fly into a GC airport and be exposed to your propaganda to change where they stay or are offered a better deal leaving the TC operator out of the picture saying the tourist preferred to stay south. Think of it the other way around tourists fly into Ercan are met by our tour operators and given such a great time they are presuaded to stay north. Saying this there is a TC tour operator on the verge of doing what you suggest lets see how he does and what obstacles are put in his way. The objections have already started about his advertising direct flights to North Cyprus.

Vp let teh TC tour operators decide this...you will be surprised that these will jump from joy if only half of the 2.8million tourists that visit the RoC every year only got to stay for even 1 night in the north. It is a way of using the infrustructure of a 30 year old booming tourism industry to help boost and develop the tourist industry in the north. Let those directly affected to decide and keep your nationalistic views for you. The TCs have al;ready suffered from the golden cage that Turkey offered them with the invation and the forced relocation.

Stay where in the north Askimwos? On hotels built on our land?
And why for 1 night and not for 2 or 3 or for all their stay?
Why the hell don't we accept direct flights to Ercan and hung ourselves then?

Tut tut tut, you have good arguments most of the times, i really don't know what happens to you some times.

Pyr where there is will there is a way and solutions can be found on the issue you raised.
Guess what, you have the same monotonus arguments all the time, I am not surprised by what you are saying but more from the tone you are using. You have in the past shown your monolithic way of thinking. I am sure you are from those scrutinising whether oranges grown in the north were grown of GC land and making an issue about this.
What about the TC land being caltivated by GC refugees, I am sure there are a lot of examples like this.

[Pyrpolizer]

2.8, 2.4 million not much of a difference
But anyway I disagree with Askimwos. The tourism in north should be helped only on 2 conditions: No hotels bulit on GC land. No further sale of our properties.

[Pyrpolizer]

Askimwos why don't you answer my questions to see what your solution is?
Hey I admit i have no fancy ideas.

[Viewpoint]

Vp an average of 2.5million holiday makes over thelast 5 years...what does this say to you? This is up more than 10-20% over the previous decade. Bear inmind that these figures do not include people staying over on business trips..

arent they classed as foreigners? Im not going to argue your tourist business it doesnt concern me but withe issue of tour operators working together from both sides why dont you ask a GC operator if they want to share their business? or allow tourists to go north which they may prefer for futue visits or your leaders may want to stop them so as not to expose them to buying homes here?

[Pyrpolizer]

Good points VP. I hope asimwos is listening.
Man GCs are antagonistic between themselves and Askimwos says they will share their clients with TCs.

Tut tut tut.

[Pyrpolizer]

Oh see askimwos. Your point is the TCs left behind land too. then let's add another term. Every TC who wants to build a hotel in the government controlled areas of RoC gets his land back immediately.

[Kikapu]

You are yet again trying to divert the issue from yourself to me...Im guessing you have no family connection in the TRNC and that your 40+ year of dillution has distanced you from TCs, this would explain why you are so cold and distant from us and closer to GCs or you are just a GC playing at being a TC fullstop.

VP, I don't know what to say to you any more. Just because I do not know which part of "TRNC" my mothers side of the family lives, that's my fault or what. Perhaps not being in Cyprus for 43 years may be the reason, not knowing where they are. I see some of them, when they visit London, when I'm happened to be there at the same time. They are all living on GC's properties, because their land is in the RoC, which I'm trying to sort out my mother's part, because we never took any GC properties, in exchange. I said all these couple of months ago. I have offered to talk with you on the phone, and yet you refuse, then you make accusations.

VP, when I speak about the Cyprus problems, I speak it, as a Cypriot. When wrong is done, I say it the way it is. If I consider myself only as a Cypriot before anything else, then I see everyone else as Cypriots first. This way, I do not have a "conflict of interest", between the TC's and GC's, because I'm a TC. I know this is all very hard for you to understand, but give it a try will you.

Let me ask you a direct question.

If you saw a group of TC youths beat the shit out of a GC kid, would you tell the police, that it was the Turkish kids that this this beating, or will you keep quite, because the kid that got beaten, was a GC. Would you do the right thing and report these kids, or will you keep quite. It is a very simple question

You already know what I will do, but what about you VP. Lets get an honest direct answer, without all the usual "turning and twisting".

[miltiades]

Sorry Kikapu I meant to put my self in the 66.666% bracket as a Turk and cocked it right up, anyway the moment has gone now.

As to VPs sarcasm. I read it as him saying that TPap is yet again pushing us further away and justifying partition once again. Even Bir has stolen our views on this as his own now in saying that the RoC is not doing enough to make unification a reality. That is what me and VP have been saying all along. How can we make that any clearer. I can always ask Bir to translate but I don't trust that he will not take our ideas and pretend he said them

Sorry Zan, but you're talking about one thing, and I'm talking something else. We have gotten our wires all crossed up.

I agree with both you and VP, that the RoC is not doing enough, so where is the demand and the yelling and shouting from Talat, to demand the talks to continue, so that we can all achieve some positive results. Instead Talat is talking about his share of the oil revenue and trying to make deals for direct trade, and being the President of a self declared state, within the country of Cyprus.. Is he for real, or what. No wonder PapaD does not make any efforts, for what.?

Lets get the island running as a team, before we can talk about how to benefit the Cypriots with oil money. Lets build the island as a United people. Let's stop wasting fucking time. Enough with the "look who dick is bigger" competition. Stop with all the BS. Stop with all the games. Just STOP.

Kikapu we haven't always seen eye to eye on everything especially our different views on the foreign policies of the USA.
When it it comes to Cypriot issues our views are identical . You want a united Cyprus , so do I , you do not blame one or the other site for all of our ills but equally you apportion the blame and so do I. You do not think the ROC is doing anything enough to encourage reconciliation and discussions , so do I .
You are my friend and being just a few years older than your self , also in possession of a few mobiles !! take my advice get your self a Nokia but dont tell VPs department much about the whereabouts of your family in Cyprus. Beware of mutton dressed as lamb is a motto you should adopt , in fact I wanted to use it as my ....official emblem.

[askimwos]

Vp an average of 2.5million holiday makes over thelast 5 years...what does this say to you? This is up more than 10-20% over the previous decade. Bear inmind that these figures do not include people staying over on business trips..

arent they classed as foreigners? Im not going to argue your tourist business it doesnt concern me but withe issue of tour operators working together from both sides why dont you ask a GC operator if they want to share their business? or allow tourists to go north which they may prefer for futue visits or your leaders may want to stop them so as not to expose them to buying homes here?

Because this has not been agreed Vp. There is no RoC official policy that would encourage this.
Btw, I think that you need to find out how the tourism industry works. Tour operators buy rooms in advance and then resell them to tourists. GC and TC tour operators can buy rooms from hotels in advance so they won't be loosing any money. They will make a profit one way or another. Capitalism? Remember? Open Market? Do these terms say anything to you?

On the property issue I believe Pyr set some terms, no more selling of GC property. Let the GC and TCs companies cooperate and invest and build hotels after having the concent of the legal owners be it TCs or GCs...I am sure a legal framework can be found. Where there is will there is a way.

[Viewpoint]

You are yet again trying to divert the issue from yourself to me...Im guessing you have no family connection in the TRNC and that your 40+ year of dillution has distanced you from TCs, this would explain why you are so cold and distant from us and closer to GCs or you are just a GC playing at being a TC fullstop.

VP, I don't know what to say to you any more. Just because I do not know which part of "TRNC" my mothers side of the family lives, that's my fault or what. Perhaps not being in Cyprus for 43 years may be the reason, not knowing where they are. I see some of them, when they visit London, when I'm happened to be there at the same time. They are all living on GC's properties, because their land is in the RoC, which I'm trying to sort out my mother's part, because we never took any GC properties, in exchange. I said all these couple of months ago. I have offered to talk with you on the phone, and yet you refuse, then you make accusations.

VP, when I speak about the Cyprus problems, I speak it, as a Cypriot. When wrong is done, I say it the way it is. If I consider myself only as a Cypriot before anything else, then I see everyone else as Cypriots first. This way, I do not have a "conflict of interest", between the TC's and GC's, because I'm a TC. I know this is all very hard for you to understand, but give it a try will you.

Let me ask you a direct question.

If you saw a group of TC youths beat the shit out of a GC kid, would you tell the police, that it was the Turkish kids that this this beating, or will you keep quite, because the kid that got beaten, was a GC. Would you do the right thing and report these kids, or will you keep quite. It is a very simple question

You already know what I will do, but what about you VP. Lets get an honest direct answer, without all the usual "turning and twisting".

Without a second thought I would intervene and stop the beating secondly I would tell the police exactly what I saw. But ask yourself if a Gc would do the same if the roles were reversed, I trust myself but I dont trust GCs thats my problem. Why do I get the impression that if push came to shove GCs would push TCs over the edge of the cliff?

Do you want me to meet your family or not? I will not ask again and it only increases my and other forum memebers suspicians about you. As you have seen I have offered to put this isuee about me to rest by meeting Miltiades he going to donate 1000 pounds to a charity of my choice, let some good come of these stupid and senseless accusations made by the despots on this forum.