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[zan]

There is no more a Mafia there then there is in the south. There are many that line the pockets of politicians on both sides so that does not hold either. What sort of a world do you think my eldest sister has moved back to. She prays five times a day and has worked hard all her life. Sure there are problems in the TRNC but in short they have to do something to make a living and bring some money into the country. If the main income can be changed so that it comes from tourism, what government is going to jeopardise that by allowing Mafia to openly operate and scare them away. I chose my words carefully in that last statement because neither you nor I have any idea what the Mafia is doing in any country as far as business is concerned.

What is going to happen for sure if things go the way they have been going, is that the TRNC will become a second Taiwan so what other choice has the RoC got than to trust the TRNC with direct trade. Won't that go a long way in helping to build trust where as if the TRNC is left to go its own way then resentment will continue.

My friend Zan, no one is stopping any tourist from going to the "TRNC". There are direct flights to Cyprus, from any place around the world, with connections, of course. Are you going to insist, that unless the plane makes landing at Ercan, that tourist will not come. All they need to do, is get a bus transfer from Larnaca, to any point in Cyprus. When I arrive at Heathrow, ir takes me close to 1 1/2 hours to get home, with the tube and bus. I'm sure it will take much less than that, to be driven by bus, to Girne / Kyrenia.

As for the Taiwan comment, do not forget, that China still considers it to be it's territory, and will take it, when ever China is ready. Taiwan is just "maturing as an investment" for China, just like Honk Kong was.

Oh Yeah! The Brits already think we hate each other and blush when I explain to them that I am not a Greek from Cyprus. Imagine with all that is going on in the world that they will be flocking to an island in which they have to show their passports to cross a border where they see one type of soldier on one side and then another on the other side. Perhaps we can make that a theme. Has Disney heard of us yet. "Welcome to war torn Cyprus where war might break out any minute. Do not unpack, as this will make a swift getaway harder. Enjoy the sand filled beaches. Bring binoculars to view abandoned towns from the coast".

Zan you know it very well and you admitted this in the past that the whole direct trade issue is not about economic isolation but about de jure recognition of the trnc.

If you really cared about growing your economy then there are other ways of doing this and RoC have the capacity to help if these measures do not push towards recognition of the trnc. The RoC has vast experience in tourism issues and surely the tou operators in the south and the north will benefit through combined holiday packages if the TCs accept the use of Larnaca airport. What's wrong with comanaging the Famagusta port? Isn't direct trade that you want? You can surely have it the easy way if agreeing to that proposal as well.

Botton line, it is not the economic isolation that you care about but rather recognition though the back door. And this is the reason the RoC will never allow it as it is a step towards partition and not towards reunification. Already the German presidency of the EU did not accept direct trade under article 133 as they found out that this article will not stand at any court if challenged. Protocol 10 of the accession treaty is there and states that the whole of the island joined the EU only for the EU acquis being temporarily suspended in the occupied areas.

So stop moaning and whinning about economic isolation as this is really self imposed. There are options on the table and if the TC administration really cared about the isolation they would have picked those offers.

Self imposed

Now I come back with..... Your request that we trade under RoC licence is a trap to get us to betray the TRNC/KKTC.

We have declared a republic so why don't you stop winging and whining and to be honest I have spoken to many people that will be more than happy with the Taiwan status, so Taiwan it is then.

[Viewpoint]

Oh Yeah! The Brits already think we hate each other and blush when I explain to them that I am not a Greek from Cyprus. Imagine with all that is going on in the world that they will be flocking to an island in which they have to show their passports to cross a border where they see one type of soldier on one side and then another on the other side. Perhaps we can make that a theme. Has Disney heard of us yet. "Welcome to war torn Cyprus where war might break out any minute. Do not unpack, as this will make a swift getaway harder. Enjoy the sand filled beaches. Bring binoculars to view abandoned towns from the coast".

Hey, if we Cypriots need to show our passports, to go from North to South or South to North, I don't know, why you are so concern with the tourist. In that case, lets implement one of my suggestions, and that was to get rid off all the check points in the same day, as the Ercan and Famagusta ports are open to the world. Let everyone come and go as they please. I really do not see a problem with this. Let Cypriots feel like they are in their own country, without having to show an ID. This would go a long way, to bring trust between the two sides.

Imagine, no check points.

I dont think you have got the plot yet TCs do not want to be at the mercy of GCs, tourists flying in through the south would be exposed to GC propaganda which they are experts at just look at the Ledra Palace crossing this would allow them the opportunity to manipulate and cause tourists problems through customs and bad administration of holiday makers destined for the North, they used to do it to us why not the Brits or Germans.

[Kikapu]

Hey, if we Cypriots need to show our passports, to go from North to South or South to North, I don't know, why you are so concern with the tourist. In that case, lets implement one of my suggestions, and that was to get rid off all the check points in the same day, as the Ercan and Famagusta ports are open to the world. Let everyone come and go as they please. I really do not see a problem with this. Let Cypriots feel like they are in their own country, without having to show an ID. This would go a long way, to bring trust between the two sides.

Imagine, no check points.

I dont think you have got the plot yet TCs do not want to be at the mercy of GCs, tourists flying in through the south would be exposed to GC propaganda which they are experts at just look at the Ledra Palace crossing this would allow them the opportunity to manipulate and cause tourists problems through customs and bad administration of holiday makers destined for the North, they used to do it to us why not the Brits or Germans.

As my ex girlfriend use to say " excuses are like assholes, that everyone has one".

I think that says it all, with all that you have written above.

[zan]

Hey, if we Cypriots need to show our passports, to go from North to South or South to North, I don't know, why you are so concern with the tourist. In that case, lets implement one of my suggestions, and that was to get rid off all the check points in the same day, as the Ercan and Famagusta ports are open to the world. Let everyone come and go as they please. I really do not see a problem with this. Let Cypriots feel like they are in their own country, without having to show an ID. This would go a long way, to bring trust between the two sides.

Imagine, no check points.

I dont think you have got the plot yet TCs do not want to be at the mercy of GCs, tourists flying in through the south would be exposed to GC propaganda which they are experts at just look at the Ledra Palace crossing this would allow them the opportunity to manipulate and cause tourists problems through customs and bad administration of holiday makers destined for the North, they used to do it to us why not the Brits or Germans.

As my ex girlfriend use to say " excuses are like assholes, that everyone has one".

I think that says it all, with all that you have written above.

Are you sure she did not mean you Kikapu
































Only joking.

[askimwos]

Oh Yeah! The Brits already think we hate each other and blush when I explain to them that I am not a Greek from Cyprus. Imagine with all that is going on in the world that they will be flocking to an island in which they have to show their passports to cross a border where they see one type of soldier on one side and then another on the other side. Perhaps we can make that a theme. Has Disney heard of us yet. "Welcome to war torn Cyprus where war might break out any minute. Do not unpack, as this will make a swift getaway harder. Enjoy the sand filled beaches. Bring binoculars to view abandoned towns from the coast".

Hey, if we Cypriots need to show our passports, to go from North to South or South to North, I don't know, why you are so concern with the tourist. In that case, lets implement one of my suggestions, and that was to get rid off all the check points in the same day, as the Ercan and Famagusta ports are open to the world. Let everyone come and go as they please. I really do not see a problem with this. Let Cypriots feel like they are in their own country, without having to show an ID. This would go a long way, to bring trust between the two sides.

Imagine, no check points.

I dont think you have got the plot yet TCs do not want to be at the mercy of GCs, tourists flying in through the south would be exposed to GC propaganda which they are experts at just look at the Ledra Palace crossing this would allow them the opportunity to manipulate and cause tourists problems through customs and bad administration of holiday makers destined for the North, they used to do it to us why not the Brits or Germans.

No surprise you once again put the cart in front of the horses. If this is done in the context of a deal then be sure the RoC will work towards this. Afterall the the GC and TC travel agents have a lot to gain from combined tourist holidays to the whole of Cyprus.
But again I am wasting my time Vp, afterall it is not economic growth that you are after but back door recognition. The German presidency has seen the light and stated that it will not push ahead with something that will move the two communities further apart and without the concent of the RoC.

As for you zan...what you are asking is similar to the accepting the wolf to run away with the chickens in the hope that he will then set the chickens free to return their nests.

[zan]

Oh Yeah! The Brits already think we hate each other and blush when I explain to them that I am not a Greek from Cyprus. Imagine with all that is going on in the world that they will be flocking to an island in which they have to show their passports to cross a border where they see one type of soldier on one side and then another on the other side. Perhaps we can make that a theme. Has Disney heard of us yet. "Welcome to war torn Cyprus where war might break out any minute. Do not unpack, as this will make a swift getaway harder. Enjoy the sand filled beaches. Bring binoculars to view abandoned towns from the coast".

Hey, if we Cypriots need to show our passports, to go from North to South or South to North, I don't know, why you are so concern with the tourist. In that case, lets implement one of my suggestions, and that was to get rid off all the check points in the same day, as the Ercan and Famagusta ports are open to the world. Let everyone come and go as they please. I really do not see a problem with this. Let Cypriots feel like they are in their own country, without having to show an ID. This would go a long way, to bring trust between the two sides.

Imagine, no check points.

I dont think you have got the plot yet TCs do not want to be at the mercy of GCs, tourists flying in through the south would be exposed to GC propaganda which they are experts at just look at the Ledra Palace crossing this would allow them the opportunity to manipulate and cause tourists problems through customs and bad administration of holiday makers destined for the North, they used to do it to us why not the Brits or Germans.

No surprise you once again put the cart in front of the horses. If this is done in the context of a deal then be sure the RoC will work towards this. Afterall the the GC and TC travel agents have a lot to gain from combined tourist holidays to the whole of Cyprus.
But again I am wasting my time Vp, afterall it is not economic growth that you are after but back door recognition. The German presidency has seen the light and stated that it will not push ahead with something that will move the two communities further apart and without the concent of the RoC.

As for you zan...what you are asking is similar to the accepting the wolf to run away with the chickens in the hope that he will then set the chickens free to return their nests.

And you are asking the chickens to jump straight into the foxes mouth. Are chickens really that stupid?????

[Viewpoint]

Are you saying that TC tour operators will not be at a disadvantage as the control of the tourist would initially be in the GC control as they would fly into a GC airport and be exposed to your propaganda to change where they stay or are offered a better deal leaving the TC operator out of the picture saying the tourist preferred to stay south. Think of it the other way around tourists fly into Ercan are met by our tour operators and given such a great time they are presuaded to stay north. Saying this there is a TC tour operator on the verge of doing what you suggest lets see how he does and what obstacles are put in his way. The objections have already started about his advertising direct flights to North Cyprus.

[askimwos]

Oh Yeah! The Brits already think we hate each other and blush when I explain to them that I am not a Greek from Cyprus. Imagine with all that is going on in the world that they will be flocking to an island in which they have to show their passports to cross a border where they see one type of soldier on one side and then another on the other side. Perhaps we can make that a theme. Has Disney heard of us yet. "Welcome to war torn Cyprus where war might break out any minute. Do not unpack, as this will make a swift getaway harder. Enjoy the sand filled beaches. Bring binoculars to view abandoned towns from the coast".

Hey, if we Cypriots need to show our passports, to go from North to South or South to North, I don't know, why you are so concern with the tourist. In that case, lets implement one of my suggestions, and that was to get rid off all the check points in the same day, as the Ercan and Famagusta ports are open to the world. Let everyone come and go as they please. I really do not see a problem with this. Let Cypriots feel like they are in their own country, without having to show an ID. This would go a long way, to bring trust between the two sides.

Imagine, no check points.

I dont think you have got the plot yet TCs do not want to be at the mercy of GCs, tourists flying in through the south would be exposed to GC propaganda which they are experts at just look at the Ledra Palace crossing this would allow them the opportunity to manipulate and cause tourists problems through customs and bad administration of holiday makers destined for the North, they used to do it to us why not the Brits or Germans.

No surprise you once again put the cart in front of the horses. If this is done in the context of a deal then be sure the RoC will work towards this. Afterall the the GC and TC travel agents have a lot to gain from combined tourist holidays to the whole of Cyprus.
But again I am wasting my time Vp, afterall it is not economic growth that you are after but back door recognition. The German presidency has seen the light and stated that it will not push ahead with something that will move the two communities further apart and without the concent of the RoC.

As for you zan...what you are asking is similar to the accepting the wolf to run away with the chickens in the hope that he will then set the chickens free to return their nests.

And you are asking the chickens to jump straight into the foxes mouth. Are chickens really that stupid?????

In this case the chickens have nothing to loose zan. If you are so scared to the extent that you see the RoC as the fox then if the agreement does not work you can always go back to your initial demand for direct trade. However, as the growth of the economy is not your primary objective and as there are once again hidden agendas from the TCs side you will never give it a go...
So keep on dreaming zan, only that dream will turn into a nightmare once the occupied areas are officially declared a province of Turkey

[zan]

Why do you keep using that line as if it is a threat. We have told you a thousand times better the wolf than the fox. The fox tends to play with its prey like a cat. Instant death sounds better.

[sweetie pie]

Oh Yeah! The Brits already think we hate each other and blush when I explain to them that I am not a Greek from Cyprus. Imagine with all that is going on in the world that they will be flocking to an island in which they have to show their passports to cross a border where they see one type of soldier on one side and then another on the other side. Perhaps we can make that a theme. Has Disney heard of us yet. "Welcome to war torn Cyprus where war might break out any minute. Do not unpack, as this will make a swift getaway harder. Enjoy the sand filled beaches. Bring binoculars to view abandoned towns from the coast".

Hey, if we Cypriots need to show our passports, to go from North to South or South to North, I don't know, why you are so concern with the tourist. In that case, lets implement one of my suggestions, and that was to get rid off all the check points in the same day, as the Ercan and Famagusta ports are open to the world. Let everyone come and go as they please. I really do not see a problem with this. Let Cypriots feel like they are in their own country, without having to show an ID. This would go a long way, to bring trust between the two sides.

Imagine, no check points.

I dont think you have got the plot yet TCs do not want to be at the mercy of GCs, tourists flying in through the south would be exposed to GC propaganda which they are experts at just look at the Ledra Palace crossing this would allow them the opportunity to manipulate and cause tourists problems through customs and bad administration of holiday makers destined for the North, they used to do it to us why not the Brits or Germans.

No surprise you once again put the cart in front of the horses. If this is done in the context of a deal then be sure the RoC will work towards this. Afterall the the GC and TC travel agents have a lot to gain from combined tourist holidays to the whole of Cyprus.
But again I am wasting my time Vp, afterall it is not economic growth that you are after but back door recognition. The German presidency has seen the light and stated that it will not push ahead with something that will move the two communities further apart and without the concent of the RoC.

As for you zan...what you are asking is similar to the accepting the wolf to run away with the chickens in the hope that he will then set the chickens free to return their nests.

And you are asking the chickens to jump straight into the foxes mouth. Are chickens really that stupid?????

You forget that there is propaganda on both sides and as a Brit who has been across to the North to meet my sister in law who happens to be Turkish I know that EACH side has its own propaganda. Just look at the photographs on the Turkish side. I have been across the border on several occasions and not once has there been a problem either going or coming. My brother has done this in reverse and he has had no problems either.