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Nothing to forgive the pretence of independence was a smoke screen for enosis, the 1960 agreements and the TCs were an inconvenience that had to be dealt with one way or another, your greed, eagerness and unestimation of the TC people while trying to turn Cyprus into Greece was your down fall and the rest is history.

starting to sound a lot like Groucho Marx in one of his dictator speeches

That tends to happen when VP has no option but to serve one of his "final solution" responses!

[GreekForumer]

Nothing to forgive the pretence of independence was a smoke screen for enosis, the 1960 agreements and the TCs were an inconvenience that had to be dealt with one way or another, your greed, eagerness and unestimation of the TC people while trying to turn Cyprus into Greece was your down fall and the rest is history.

GC Greed ?

Viewpoint, go read my Republic of Hatay thread and give me your thoughts.

How the hell can a 40% Turk population vote to join Turkey ?

Here's what Robert Fisk writes,

The shame of France's surrender of the sanjak of Alexandretta, including Musa Dagh, is an untold stories of the Second World War. Fearing that Turkey would join the German Axis, as it did in the 1914- 18 war, France agreed to a referendum in Alexandretta so the Armenian and Turkish inhabitants could choose their nationality. The Turks trucked tens of thousands of people into the sanjak for the referendum and, of course, the "people" voted to be part of Turkey

Greed or theft ?

What happened to the "inconvenience" of the other 60% ?

How about the Turkish troops massing on the border ? Pretty scary to an Armenian genocide survivor don't you think!

Did Jelal Bayar's "Hatay must be Turkish-ruled" demand send shivers down your spine ?

Do you have any words for those thousands of Armenians, Greeks and others who packed their bags and left Hatay ?

[Viewpoint]

Nothing to forgive the pretence of independence was a smoke screen for enosis, the 1960 agreements and the TCs were an inconvenience that had to be dealt with one way or another, your greed, eagerness and unestimation of the TC people while trying to turn Cyprus into Greece was your down fall and the rest is history.

GC Greed ?

Viewpoint, go read my Republic of Hatay thread and give me your thoughts.

How the hell can a 40% Turk population vote to join Turkey ?

Here's what Robert Fisk writes,

The shame of France's surrender of the sanjak of Alexandretta, including Musa Dagh, is an untold stories of the Second World War. Fearing that Turkey would join the German Axis, as it did in the 1914- 18 war, France agreed to a referendum in Alexandretta so the Armenian and Turkish inhabitants could choose their nationality. The Turks trucked tens of thousands of people into the sanjak for the referendum and, of course, the "people" voted to be part of Turkey

Greed or theft ?

What happened to the "inconvenience" of the other 60% ?

How about the Turkish troops massing on the border ? Pretty scary to an Armenian genocide survivor don't you think!

Did Jelal Bayar's "Hatay must be Turkish-ruled" demand send shivers down your spine ?

Do you have any words for those thousands of Armenians, Greeks and others who packed their bags and left Hatay ?

I am a Turkish Cypriot go find a Turk to argue with.

[zan]

Piratis wrote:

positive discrimination??? Are you kidding me?

Positive discrimination is done for groups of people that are underrepresented in something in order to increase their percentage to one that is closer to their population percentage.

E.g. if women in parliament are very few then a positive discrimination can be implemented where a minimum quota of say 20-30-50% should be women. But they will not make this quota 80% which is way above the population percentage of women, as this would not be "positive" but totally negative discrimination since it would have the opposite result from the one that positive discrimination is design to - it would create an under-representation of men.

Similarly giving 30% of governmental positions to the 18% of TCs was a totally negative discrimination against GCs since TCs would be way overrepresented and GCs way underrepresented. And the opportunely that a TC would get a governmental job would be twice as much than a GCs.

So basically that 30% is exactly the opposite of "positive discrimination", or said simply it is the plain old racist discrimination.

You take the literal meaning of words and try to use them in a robotic fashion and add none of the factors that apply to the Cyprus problems of the time. I have explained to you that, most of the time, we are thinking caring people that can take an idea and or a theory and adapt it to certain positions. What has the example you give got to do with what was happening in Cyprus and the difficulties faced. Both sides lay claim to the island. One was numerically larger than the other. There were religious differences and some cultural. There was fear from both sides of Mother countries taking full control. ENOSIS was in the air. TAKSIM was in the air. People had been killed……etc etc etc but all you do is take one of these issues and come up with a numerical supremacy and use that as the factor to decide the constitution. That is why I said you twisted things around to suit your own agenda and thinking. You cannot simplify this as purely a numbers game and a majority decision wins all situations. All the factors must be taken into account. The system was very workable and if I am not mistaken it is the very system that you and others want to return to but this time your only concern is to take back the land you lost and rein supreme at the same time. Your insistence on pure numbers is wearing thin Piratis. Give it up. There can be no ruling class in this game. We must share the power regardless of your majority. That is the only safeguard we have.