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[miltiades]

Girlfriend is calling....................I'm off to bed.

If one is not careful, this forum can ruin a men's sex life.

Now I know, why you guys stay up all night. Ha,ha ha ha ha.

A bit early isn't it?

Maybe Kikapu is an early Riser !

[observer]

askimwos

You were saying that the crossings don't open because of RoC. Now RoC made the move and all you do is follow the official Tala line which is at least laughable

Let's get the facts straight. Papadopolous pulled down one wall and put another one there, with two armed soldiers and an enormous flagpole with a Greek flag on it.

He also took down the viewing platform so that tourists could not see that there is no wall on the TC side, the main point of the exercise I think

[askimwos]

askimwos

You were saying that the crossings don't open because of RoC. Now RoC made the move and all you do is follow the official Tala line which is at least laughable

Let's get the facts straight. Papadopolous pulled down one wall and put another one there, with two armed soldiers and an enormous flagpole with a Greek flag on it.

He also took down the viewing platform so that tourists could not see that there is no wall on the TC side, the main point of the exercise I think

Pathetic reply!

The wall was brought down. Isn't this what you have been asking? The flag was there before anyway and don't pretent you have not seen it. The RoC and Greek flag is on every national guard outpost (even if I don't agree with the use of the greek flag). How pathetic ypur argument is...what about the turkish flag on your side?

As I said in my previous posts the RoC's proposal include the removal of all symbols from the area. Talat said no to this proposal, so stop complaining about anything and everything!

Talat can do nothing without the army's approaval. The incidence between Soyer and General Kivrikoglou the other day says it all.

Talat refuses to cooperate even if he wants to because he knows the army will twist his arm once again so he won't dare to face them.

The truth is plain and simple. Talat and the so called administration of trnc are puppets that cannot even move a brick without the approval of their masters! And you speak about "trnc" being an independent country.

Apologies if my post sounds a bit harsh to your ears but this is the plain truth and the realities in the north.

[Viewpoint]

askimwos

You were saying that the crossings don't open because of RoC. Now RoC made the move and all you do is follow the official Tala line which is at least laughable

Let's get the facts straight. Papadopolous pulled down one wall and put another one there, with two armed soldiers and an enormous flagpole with a Greek flag on it.

He also took down the viewing platform so that tourists could not see that there is no wall on the TC side, the main point of the exercise I think

Pathetic reply!

The wall was brought down. Isn't this what you have been asking? The flag was there before anyway.
As I said in my previous posts the RoC's proposal include the removal of all symbols from the area. Talat said no to this proposal, so stop complaining about anything and everything!

Talat can do notjing without the army's approaval. The incidence between Soyer and General Kivrikoglou the other day says it all.
The truth is plain and simple. Talat and the so called administrations of trnc are puppets that cannot even move a brick without the approaval of their masters! And you speak about "trnc" being an independent country.

Apologies if my post sounds a bit harsh but this is the palin truth and the realities in the north.

And who is your master? without their pressure no wall would have come down Tasos is clever he cannot afford another OHI situation as this would seal his and your fate for good. Thats why he will never go back to the table or amend the AP as another rejection at referendum would finish any hope of unification, being the insinere side would you risk it?

[askimwos]

Say it DAMN it. Why do you always avoid it? it was also LEAGALISING THE STEALING OF OUR PROPERTIES.

Because properties is not the major thing for me Pyr. People should be allowed to keep most of their properties if they choose to but in a bizonal federationm there is bound to be some exchange of properties. Most importat thing for me is for people to be able to move and reside freely wherever they want. The same applies to the TCs.

In order to find a solution there are bound to be some painful concessions. If this is a concession we need to make in order to have a really free country then I am willing to accept it. What about GCs and TCs keeping half their properties and being compensated for the other half?
And please don't start lecturing again...as I said a BBF cannot be implemented with GCs owning 70-80% of the land in the TC statelet. This is the truth no matter how harsh it may be.

[askimwos]

And who is your master? without their pressure no wall would have come down Tasos is clever he cannot afford another OHI situation as this would seal his and your fate for good. Thats why he will never go back to the table or amend the AP as another rejection at referendum would finish any hope of unification, being the insinere side would you risk it?

Why the hell is it important why tpap brought down the wall? I don't care what the reasons were, all I care is that the TC side made a step back from what they have been declaring about the wall being the only obstacle. The wall is down so lets see if what you have been saying all this time is true. Any further words are useless! Actions please..

[observer]

Let's get one thing straight. Papadopoulos has not taken down the wall. He has taken down A wall and replaced it with ANOTHER wall (plus two armed soldiers). I think the Greek flagpole is a new one but if I am wrong forgive me, it is some time since I bothered to go to what was, and still is, a dead end.

All Papadopoulos has to do is take down the new wall and let people pass - it's as simple as that. Instead he buil;ds a new wall, guards it, and issues new demands.

Papadopoulos would be nothing without the 'divided island', making him the island's strongest partitionist.

[askimwos]

Let's get one thing straight. Papadopoulos has not taken down the wall. He has taken down A wall and replaced it with ANOTHER wall (plus two armed soldiers). I think the Greek flagpole is a new one but if I am wrong forgive me, it is some time since I bothered to go to what was, and still is, a dead end.

All Papadopoulos has to do is take down the new wall and let people pass - it's as simple as that. Instead he buil;ds a new wall, guards it, and issues new demands.

Papadopoulos would be nothing without the 'divided island', making him the island's strongest partitionist.

The other wall you mention observer is just some sheets of aluminium similar to the ones used to divide an office and no higher than 1.5 meter tall that were even blow by a slight breeze the other day and not an antitank fighting position as it used to be, so please cut the crap about another wall being errected. The flag point was on the platform by the soldier before. Btw I served at that outpost ages ago and I remeber that an armed guard has always been there as at every outpost of the national guard.

As for the new demands you say, these have been there since 2005 so nothing new about it. What is wrong with moving the two armies 200 meters back as with many areas in Nicosia. Don't forget that the area between the Ledra palce and Rochas Wall as well as other areas in old Nicosia are completely demilitarised. What scares you so much about moving the troops a bit back so that they are not seen by people crossing? Think about crossing Ledra to the occuppied areas and vice versa and being greeted by armed soldiers, wouldn't this make you feel threatened? So why insisting on troops staying in the area?

[Pyrpolizer]

None of us really wants partition as you keep accusing us of wanting but we do not want unification without our rights intact.

Hey Zan, I will report you at Atca

[Pyrpolizer]

Say it DAMN it. Why do you always avoid it? it was also LEAGALISING THE STEALING OF OUR PROPERTIES.

Because properties is not the major thing for me Pyr. People should be allowed to keep most of their properties if they choose to but in a bizonal federationm there is bound to be some exchange of properties. Most importat thing for me is for people to be able to move and reside freely wherever they want. The same applies to the TCs.

In order to find a solution there are bound to be some painful concessions. If this is a concession we need to make in order to have a really free country then I am willing to accept it. What about GCs and TCs keeping half their properties and being compensated for the other half?
And please don't start lecturing again...as I said a BBF cannot be implemented with GCs owning 70-80% of the land in the TC statelet. This is the truth no matter how harsh it may be.

Why not? Who said that ownership of property has anything to do with whatever administrative structure is agreed? Just because the Turkish side says so? Ownership is ownership nobody can agree on my own property without my personal consent. Otherwise I will go to the EU and trash whatever agreement.

Askimwos I respect your right to feel property is not important for YOU. However unless each and every refugee is asked to sign a declaration agreeing with you, you have no right to talk to talk on behalf of others and guaranteeing that we would accept a solution merely on the lines you drafted.

I also speak for myself of course, by claiming the matter of properties is the number 1 issue for the vast majority of refugees. I however do not accept any politician to negotiate a solution assuming the opposite without having written and signed consent from those concerned.

As for compensations who is going to compensate who? The state will take my property, donate it or sell it for peanuts and give me bonds which on maturity will not even worth to buy a bicycle? On whose right???