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[Saint Jimmy]

Probably too busy playing backgammon and eating souvlakia Jimmy.

Elementary, my dear cannedmoose

The question is, why should we even bother wasting two years of Cypriot youth on... ummm... well, nothing?

[insan]

Another scandal
2003-09-06 | Afrika | -----
The vehicles previously owned by Elmas Guzelyurtlu, which were sold via auctions, were smuggled into the Greek side. The government is going to compensate the current owners of the cars.

Another scandal

The smuggling of the cars became a mystery, just like the escape of Elmas Guzelyurtlu to the South.

It is not known what the decision of the government to compensate the new owners of the cars is based on.

TRNC Council of Ministers made a decision on August 13, 2003 to ‘compensate the current owners of the cars using an appropriate fund.”

Since when has the government been compensating the people for their stolen belongings? Why is the treatment different for Guzelyurtlu’s vehicles? Is the government, which is compensating the citizens for the accounts at the bankrupt banks on one hand, now paying for those banks’ liquidated assets?

[cannedmoose]

Elementary, my dear cannedmoose

The question is, why should we even bother wasting two years of Cypriot youth on... ummm... well, nothing?

Amen Agios Jimmy... I once read a study from the late 90s by the US Department of Defense (ok, not the most impartial source) analysing how long the National Guard could hold a full-scale Turkish invasion of Cyprus by land, sea and air. The most optimistic scenario gave 3-4 days, followed by sporadic guerilla operations in Troodos.

So, given the unlikely prospect of a second Attila operation, it often vexes me why the National Guard needs more tanks than the British army and goes on spending good money on assimilating green recruits. I can see their use as a tool for politicians to display patriotism, but as a military machine, the NG would be able to do little more than resist with very little hope of winning.

I am actually pro-conscription, but I think a 6-month term would do: to make everyone aware of civil defence and what to do in an emergency, but without wasting two years of their life sitting in houses on the Green Line watching tv and ordering KFC. Better for Cyprus to have a leaner, meaner professional corps, actually capable of conducting proper defensive operations with some chance of success.

Ok, Saturday midday rant over with. Must get on with some DIY. Have a good day all.

[anlarm]

I was neighter shocked nor did I feel anything at the news of the murder (except for his young daughter). More than siz banks "went bankrupt" in the north due to insufficient laws and the policies of the then government. Thousands of people suffered, some died of heart attacks. All this mafia business should be the concern of authorities (unfortunately it hasn't been yet). The point that GC authorities allowed him to stay in the south and continue business there is something to ponder on. "He did not commit any crime in the south" they said. Does that mean GC authorities are ready to welcome all the murderers, drug traffickers, rapists etc. who would like to take refuge in the south? Crime knows no borders, no nationalities. We have to fight crime everywhere if we want to keep our island clean.
What made me very sad yesterday was to see the photo of that 11 year old girl who died in a school bus accident in Bellapais Friday morning. Traffic accidents are taking so many young lives on this small island. We have to take action to prevent this.

[cannedmoose]

The point that GC authorities allowed him to stay in the south and continue business there is something to ponder on. "He did not commit any crime in the south" they said. Does that mean GC authorities are ready to welcome all the murderers, drug traffickers, rapists etc. who would like to take refuge in the south? Crime knows no borders, no nationalities. We have to fight crime everywhere if we want to keep our island clean.

Agreed anlarm. If they had only executed Elmas, I would have said "just desserts". He caused pain and suffering to thousands and had essentially got away with it by fleeing south where he knew that his crimes would not be recognised. This is certainly an area that both sides in Cyprus need to seriously look at, even in the absence of a resolution. However, no doubt pragmatism and realism will be overwhelmed by the recognition issue.

As for your comment on the girl who died in a bus accident, at the same time there was an horrific 'accident' that has now claimed the lives of two children in Lakatamia. A motorcycle driven by a young conscript (not wearing his helmet), was doing a wheelie along a residential street and crashed into them when he lost control. As a result, the parents of these children have lost all of their offspring. Unfortunately, when it comes to death on the roads, Cyprus is very much one country.

[Piratis]

Amen Agios Jimmy... I once read a study from the late 90s by the US Department of Defense (ok, not the most impartial source) analysing how long the National Guard could hold a full-scale Turkish invasion of Cyprus by land, sea and air. The most optimistic scenario gave 3-4 days, followed by sporadic guerilla operations in Troodos.

I don't think that Cyprus can keep the open fields for long in case of invasion. However if all reserves (almost all Cypriots males between 20 and 60) had guns in their homes, it wouldn't be too easy to capture a city with 50.000 soldiers in it. (I, and many others do keep their weapons and ammunition at home, but not everybody).

A guerrilla war is what we should be preparing for. Buying tanks is going to be of little or no use.

[Saint Jimmy]

A guerrilla war is what we should be preparing for. Buying tanks is going to be of little or no use.

Piratis,

why should we be preparing for anything? Do you think there is a real threat anywhere? What is the case you are referring to ('in case of invasion')? Can you give me a scenario, please?

[Piratis]

Of course these is a real threat. Turkey has already occupied half of our country. If thats not real then I don't know what is. As they have proved all they need is an excuse, and as we have seen recently with the "weapons of mass destruction" of Iraq, Americans and their allies don't even have to wait for an excuse anymore, they can create the excuse by themselves.

I am not saying that we will have war tomorrow or this year. But things change, nothing remains constant, and we should be prepared as much as we can because this is not the perfect world.

[PEACE]

I don't think that Cyprus can keep the open fields for long in case of invasion. However if all reserves (almost all Cypriots males between 20 and 60) had guns in their homes, it wouldn't be too easy to capture a city with 50.000 soldiers in it. (I, and many others do keep their weapons and ammunition at home, but not everybody).

A guerrilla war is what we should be preparing for. Buying tanks is going to be of little or no use.

Oh my God ! What are you talking about? I really get shocked.

Yes,i heard that you had guns in homes from a friend.I found it interesting and unbeleivable.But now it is approved by a GC.

A guerilla war,huh?

In your minds every minute a war can exist?
We are trying to find a solution and some is planning guerilla war.

and a note...
We(TC civilians) are not keeping weapons in our homes and i never thought that one day there can be a war again!

Now i'm shocked.



P.S : We are out of forum subject. Subject is about the murder.

[Saint Jimmy]

Of course these is a real threat. Turkey has already occupied half of our country. If thats not real then I don't know what is. As they have proved all they need is an excuse, and as we have seen recently with the "weapons of mass destruction" of Iraq, Americans and their allies don't even have to wait for an excuse anymore, they can create the excuse by themselves.

I am not saying that we will have war tomorrow or this year. But things change, nothing remains constant, and we should be prepared as much as we can because this is not the perfect world.

Dude, I understand what you're saying, but I still don't agree with you.

As far as half of our island being occupied goes, I would say two things:
a) If all they need is an excuse, we can simply not give it to them. Or anyone else, for that matter.
b) Granted, the WMD thing was just a scam, but they didn't just 'create an excuse by themselves'... Saddam did a number of things before that, that dug his own grave (shut the inspectors out and wouldn't let them back in, tried to con the US through the sanctions thing, these are just a few examples).

So, what I'm saying is if we keep our heads together, we are in no danger whatsoever.