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[Kikapu]

Kikapu

Wrong, wrong and wrong VP.

They don't all have to move, if they don't want to. Those that have land and homes in the North, can stay there, but those who have homes and land in the South, can move, and vacate the GC's land, they occupy now. It will be a positive move towards a solution.

I must have misunderstood you stated;

If I was the RoC, I would offer 5,000 Euros to every Cypriot living under it's control, once the oil money starts to roll in. This will also raise the child birth rate too.

Of course all that you have mentioned have to be in place. The 1960 constitution is still in effect as you know, so until a better one is written, that one will have to do. Then when majority of the TC's that are living in the RoC and the "TRNC" feel safe, they can respectfully ask Turkey to go home. Isn't that what you guys always claim, that Turkey is there to protect us from being anhilated.

People will not up sticks and move south for money as this means leaving behind their established lives in the TRNC and moving to live in a GC state run by GCs where the dominant language is again Greek. A good example is that the majority if not all of daily TC workers who beneift financially form the south all prefer to live in the TRNC. The legal barriers to reclaiming property is also another negative factor to TCs going to live in the south so until the procedure to cliam back property is relaxed no TCs will move south.

Yes, you're correct, there are obstacles right now, but if such a proposal were to be made by the RoC, then naturally, such obstacles will have to be removed. Greek language was always dominant language in whole of Cyprus before, hence the fact, almost every adult TC, spoke Greek in the 60's. But now, it seems like English can bridge the gap, between Turkish and Greek.

I'm still for 2 states 1 country solution VP. The above proposal would be a a second choice for me, if possible.

As for paying all Cypriots 5,000 Euros, well as long as the TC's do not claim a separate country within a country, they can live where ever they want and be paid, but if they do, as they have right now with the "TRNC", then they should not expect any oil money, or else I will also put a claim in, from Switzerland.

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Kikapu

Yes, you're correct, there are obstacles right now, but if such a proposal were to be made by the RoC, then naturally, such obstacles will have to be removed. Greek language was always dominant language in whole of Cyprus before, hence the fact, almost every adult TC, spoke Greek in the 60's. But now, it seems like English can bridge the gap, between Turkish and Greek.

So it would be no different from going to live in Greece? France or Spain?
Can you now understand why we want our own area where we feel like it ours and home?

I'm still for 2 states 1 country solution VP. The above proposal would be a a second choice for me, if possible.

I think we agreed this before 2 states 1 country but I dont think the objections would come from TCs but your main obstacle would be the GCs like Piratis.

As for paying all Cypriots 5,000 Euros, well as long as the TC's do not claim a separate country within a country, they can live where ever they want and be paid, but if they do, as they have right now with the "TRNC", then they should not expect any oil money, or else I will also put a claim in, from Switzerland.

That would mean TCs could cliam money and still remian in teh TRNC I dont the GCs would agree to this somehow but how owuld they stop it if they claim to represent all its icitizens?

[miltiades]

Gav, turkish cypriots choose to live separately and do not want anything to do with the RoC so I am not sure why turkish speaking cypriots expect the RoC to share, and sharing also means that turkish cyriots willl share something with the greek speaking cypriots....what might that be?

The difference is we do not claim to represent the GCs only our own citizens be they TC Turk, English etc...

But the "Roc" cliam to represent all its citizens and those with "RoC" passports are included in this figure, thats why you will face claims from your own citizens whom you claim to represent be it GC TC Armenian Maronite, quite simple when you think about it. How can you say you will now discriminate aginst those that live in the north??

The RoC passport is not under dispute by any nation on earth, if you stupidly continue this charade of using inverted commas every time you mention the RoC , it will only convince me more of you hollowness as a representative of the "TRNC" .The T/C who possess a Cypriot passport can happily without let or hindrance visit not only all of Europe but all of the world. Grow up team , stop this absurd nonsense.

[Kikapu]

That would mean TCs could cliam money and still remian in teh TRNC I dont the GCs would agree to this somehow but how owuld they stop it if they claim to represent all its icitizens?

No, it does not mean the TC's can claim oil money, if they choose to live in a declared another country called the "TRNC", within a country of Cyprus. Another state within Cyprus yes, but not another country, otherwise, I would put in a claim from Switzerland also.

[Viewpoint]

Gav, turkish cypriots choose to live separately and do not want anything to do with the RoC so I am not sure why turkish speaking cypriots expect the RoC to share, and sharing also means that turkish cyriots willl share something with the greek speaking cypriots....what might that be?

The difference is we do not claim to represent the GCs only our own citizens be they TC Turk, English etc...

But the "Roc" cliam to represent all its citizens and those with "RoC" passports are included in this figure, thats why you will face claims from your own citizens whom you claim to represent be it GC TC Armenian Maronite, quite simple when you think about it. How can you say you will now discriminate aginst those that live in the north??

The RoC passport is not under dispute by any nation on earth, if you stupidly continue this charade of using inverted commas every time you mention the RoC , it will only convince me more of you hollowness as a representative of the "TRNC" .The T/C who possess a Cypriot passport can happily without let or hindrance visit not only all of Europe but all of the world. Grow up team , stop this absurd nonsense.

If you continue to insulting me then i will have to do the same so I am warning you to cut the personal insults and stick to the issue and I can onlu hope that other will tell you the same. I dont recognize the "RoC" so i use the inverted commas when you discuss this subject with those that do then they will not use the inverted commas, I am a TC like many others who do not recognize a country where the constitution cannot be applied in full and has the TC element missing. Why does it annoy you so much if everyone else recognizes you then what do you care about what TCs think? or is it that the most important people who you need to recognize you are just not playing oyur game, never forget you cannot force your opinions on anyone.

[Viewpoint]

That would mean TCs could cliam money and still remian in teh TRNC I dont the GCs would agree to this somehow but how owuld they stop it if they claim to represent all its icitizens?

No, it does not mean the TC's can claim oil money, if they choose to live in a declared another country called the "TRNC", within a country of Cyprus. Another state within Cyprus yes, but not another country, otherwise, I would put in a claim from Switzerland also.

But the "RoC" are not claiming that Switzerland is part of the "RoC" and that they represent all the people there with "RoC" citizenship.

If they continue to maintain the arguement they represent all "RoC" citizens regardless of them being TC or GC etc and where they live then they have to take TCs claims seriously. If they say I only represent those that live in the south then that will reveal a great deal about their own real policies and go against EU ideology. Anyway I am another one who feels the south is using the oil issue to deflect from real issues and change the agenda as normal a masterful stroke by Tasos to drum up another round of arguement, alienating TCs and working hard in building a relationship with Turkey and show Turkey in worst possible light. Little does he know this maybe another "great" idea that will in time back fire in your faces.

[Kikapu]

That would mean TCs could cliam money and still remian in teh TRNC I dont the GCs would agree to this somehow but how owuld they stop it if they claim to represent all its icitizens?

No, it does not mean the TC's can claim oil money, if they choose to live in a declared another country called the "TRNC", within a country of Cyprus. Another state within Cyprus yes, but not another country, otherwise, I would put in a claim from Switzerland also.

But the "RoC" are not claiming that Switzerland is part of the "RoC" and that they represent all the people there with "RoC" citizenship.

If they continue to maintain the arguement they represent all "RoC" citizens regardless of them being TC or GC etc and where they live then they have to take TCs claims seriously. If they say I only represent those that live in the south then that will reveal a great deal about their own real policies and go against EU ideology. Anyway I am another one who feels the south is using the oil issue to deflect from real issues and change the agenda as normal a masterful stroke by Tasos to drum up another round of arguement, alienating TCs and working hard in building a relationship with Turkey and show Turkey in worst possible light. Little does he know this maybe another "great" idea that will in time back fire in your faces.

Yes VP, and the RoC is not claiming it represents the "TRNC" or that it has control over it, because of occupation by Turkey but still represents only it's TC citizens, just like it does not represent Switzerland, but only Cypriots, who live here. The RoC is not about to send me any money here, or to Bir and Pits in Australia, or Zan and mrfromng, in the UK, or you and skipper in the "TRNC", because you claim it as a independent country, outside RoC's control. Never mind it is not recognised, but the fact remains, it is occupied and also a self declared "foreign state".

If we had the 2 state 1 country agreement, and the money was not sent to predominantly TC state, then your argument will hold water.

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Kikapu

Yes VP, and the RoC is not claiming it represents the "TRNC" or that it has control over it, because of occupation by Turkey but still represents only it's TC citizens, just like it does not represent Switzerland, but only Cypriots, who live here.

This we agree on.

The RoC is not about to send me any money here, or to Bir and Pits in Australia, or Zan and mrfromng, in the UK,

Ok this we also agree on, as oyu are resident abroad.

or you and skipper in the "TRNC", because you claim it as a independent country, outside RoC's control. Never mind it is not recognised, but the fact remains, it is occupied and also a self declared "foreign state".

This where we differ, as the "RoC" do not recognize the TRNC and claim to represent Cypriots all over the island, they proudly boast providing medical care, pensions, passports, scoring political points, then how on earth will they refuse to pass on benefits to all its citizens whether they are GCs TCs ArmenianC etc?? will they say you live in the north and refuse to share? I think the new masters of the south will have something to say about that dont you?

Kikapu I have to add something here that the arguement I have put forward above is not one I support as I feel if the "RoC" find oil its theirs and their peoples and I am not one of their people so I have no rights to claim anything from the GC state. I think TCs need to honestly decide what we are first the TRNC or "RoC" because you cant have both and we shoudl find our own oil , that is what Turkey is doing right now.

[Pyrpolizer]

You are all assuming the RoC will give money to the people. You are all dreaming. all money will go to government funds and will only have one effect. Less taxes to the people and more social benefits to the people.

"The people" are only the ones living in the government controlled areas.

So anyone who likes to smell the oil, come live here. The only smell you will get is "less taxes". Do you like?

[humanist]

I guess leass taxes means more pocket money means more savings means another house deposit I like