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[Kikapu]

People in United emirates they get £1000 a month . But antway ,papadopulus will not accept to give even half what you offered

PapaD will be history, by the time the oil is pumped out.

This will be a great campaign strategy for potential Presidential candidates in the next few years.

[pitsilos]

not in a minute kikapu, in a heart beat...shit i might even consider going back

I'm much closer than you are dude, so that you know.

I'll be serving the "welcome drinks" at the airport to all the Cypriots returning back to Cyprus.

zirvania will be drink of choice ofcourse

i'll be pouring and you'll be serving...

[humanist]

It's nothing about the money but if RoC is still alive and still represents the TCs (thats why they take RoC in Europe) , then they have to accept that they have to share . We dont want our properties back but still RoC holding them for us as well to giv back and saving the rents to give as well. Why not oil ?

Gav, I think the two are different issues. Protecting your properties is a respect thing. The RoC recognises that the land belong to Gav, to Levent and so on. You have inherited that land from your ancestors and it is yours. Under the current situation it is appreciated that some turkish speaking cypriots do not feel safe to live in the south and hence the land ought to be held in protection till such time that a solution is found. Further to that it is my undertsanding that if Turkish Cypriots choose they can have their land back through a simple process.

Whilst it is neither here nor there for me if you guys receive moneys from oil, it just doesn't make sense as to why the RoC ught to give money to another country. the Turkish Cypriots or at least their leadership is saying they are an independent country called "trnc". If Malta got up and argued that it too lies within the Mediteranian and therefore has rights should the RoC support every Malteses financially?

Ps I doubt if residents of the RoC will see oil money let alone residents of the "trnc". If residents of the RoC do get to see moneys then I woulkd encourage more Turkish Speaking Cypriots to move to the south to claim their entitlements, furthermore I believe that turkish speaking cypriots who have generationally lived in the north and are occupying their own lands ought to have similar access and rights to residents of the RoC.

[GAVCARoCOM]

But i think here is the issue that RoC doesnt accept the TRNC as an another country and says that Turkish Cypriots are their citizens as well . Thats why still RoC is making retirement pensions and giving passports as well. If the TCs are the citizens of the RoC then they have to able to get all the oil money as well. I m not talking about that they have to give to the TRNC goverments but Cypriot government could set up a special oil revenue trust fund that Turkish Cypriots can get the money if any solition happen same like for the other situations.
This is RoC responsibility if they are really representing the TCs and GCs

Being honest i dont beleive this oil thing and i think its a political move from papadopulus anyway and i m enquaring about this because if Cyprus entered in EU as a TC-GC country they have to do what they are responsible to do. Thanks

[polis]

Because you occupy north Cyprus. You forgot this small detail? ;)

When you say YOU , Do you mean TCs . I m a TC .

From 1963 we dont have any benefits of RoC !

When was the last time you paid tax to the Republic?

[humanist]

Gav .... i hear what you are saying loud and clear and I have to agree with you .....you have a very valid point. Though there is the issue of those turkish speaking cypriots exploiting refugee property and in those cases I don't think they ought to get money, and here I do not mean those turkish speaking cypriots who live in refugee property they need to live somewher, though it would be nice if they moved to their properties in the south, or those farming land for a living but rather those who sell refugee land etc. Otherwise am all for it as you rightly point out.

[Viewpoint]

Gav, turkish cypriots choose to live separately and do not want anything to do with the RoC so I am not sure why turkish speaking cypriots expect the RoC to share, and sharing also means that turkish cyriots willl share something with the greek speaking cypriots....what might that be?

The difference is we do not claim to represent the GCs only our own citizens be they TC Turk, English etc...

But the "Roc" cliam to represent all its citizens and those with "RoC" passports are included in this figure, thats why you will face claims from your own citizens whom you claim to represent be it GC TC Armenian Maronite, quite simple when you think about it. How can you say you will now discriminate aginst those that live in the north??

[Viewpoint]

If I was the RoC, I would offer 5,000 Euros to every Cypriot living under it's control, once the oil money starts to roll in. This will also raise the child birth rate too.

Let see how many TC's will come back to the RoC, to re claim their land and participate in the government, by choosing their own TC elected politicians, to serve in the RoC.

Then let's see if enough TC's will come over, then they can tell Turkey that she is no longer needed for their "security", therefore she can now go home with the settlers.

So what you are offering is 5000Euros to buy TCs? and encourage them to leave their lives in the north and move south?? without a home or work? no Turkish education system and no voting rights?? I dont think you have thought this one through Kikapu.

[Kikapu]

If I was the RoC, I would offer 5,000 Euros to every Cypriot living under it's control, once the oil money starts to roll in. This will also raise the child birth rate too.

Let see how many TC's will come back to the RoC, to re claim their land and participate in the government, by choosing their own TC elected politicians, to serve in the RoC.

Then let's see if enough TC's will come over, then they can tell Turkey that she is no longer needed for their "security", therefore she can now go home with the settlers.

So what you are offering is 5000Euros to buy TCs? and encourage them to leave their lives in the north and move south?? without a home or work? no Turkish education system and no voting rights?? I dont think you have thought this one through Kikapu.

Wrong, wrong and wrong VP.

They don't all have to move, if they don't want to. Those that have land and homes in the North, can stay there, but those who have homes and land in the South, can move, and vacate the GC's land, they occupy now. It will be a positive move towards a solution.

Of course all that you have mentioned have to be in place. The 1960 constitution is still in effect as you know, so until a better one is written, that one will have to do. Then when majority of the TC's that are living in the RoC and the "TRNC" feel safe, they can respectfully ask Turkey to go home. Isn't that what you guys always claim, that Turkey is there to protect us from being anhilated.

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Kikapu

Wrong, wrong and wrong VP.

They don't all have to move, if they don't want to. Those that have land and homes in the North, can stay there, but those who have homes and land in the South, can move, and vacate the GC's land, they occupy now. It will be a positive move towards a solution.

I must have misunderstood you stated;

If I was the RoC, I would offer 5,000 Euros to every Cypriot living under it's control, once the oil money starts to roll in. This will also raise the child birth rate too.

Of course all that you have mentioned have to be in place. The 1960 constitution is still in effect as you know, so until a better one is written, that one will have to do. Then when majority of the TC's that are living in the RoC and the "TRNC" feel safe, they can respectfully ask Turkey to go home. Isn't that what you guys always claim, that Turkey is there to protect us from being anhilated.

People will not up sticks and move south for money as this means leaving behind their established lives in the TRNC and moving to live in a GC state run by GCs where the dominant language is again Greek. A good example is that the majority if not all of daily TC workers who beneift financially form the south all prefer to live in the TRNC. The legal barriers to reclaiming property is also another negative factor to TCs going to live in the south so until the procedure to cliam back property is relaxed no TCs will move south.