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[Viewpoint]

It appears that more and more "Cypriots" living abroad, thousands of miles away are telling us to jump into the fire without feeling the heat themselves. Surely those who live here should be listened to and their concerns taken into account. You have people who have not been to Cyprus for years upon years and have not seen at first hand the developments both north and south dictating to us that we are wrong and they are right, they know best and we know nothing. This is not right and Cypriots living abroad should show more understanding and respect towards us locals who stand to make the biggest mistake of our lives, thus live the nightmare you so comfortably avoid from the suburbs of some foreign land.

[skipper]

I dont know if you've ever lived in say London, where there are a large number of TC's grouped together but I can tell you for a fact that their views are very very divergent and depend on various factors such as when they left Cyprus. I could break it down but I dont have time to surfice to say that I can tell you pre-referendum the majority of TC's that I knew were vermently against the Annan Plan.

[Viewpoint]

I dont know if you've ever lived in say London, where there are a large number of TC's grouped together but I can tell you for a fact that their views are very very divergent and depend on various factors such as when they left Cyprus. I could break it down but I dont have time to surfice to say that I can tell you pre-referendum the majority of TC's that I knew were vermently against the Annan Plan.

Do you know why?

[skipper]

And when I say against the Annan Plan, against not for the reasons that the GC's here cite but because it was giving to much to the GC's.

[Viewpoint]

And when I say against the Annan Plan, against not for the reasons that the GC's here cite but because it was giving to much to the GC's.

You are so right...they didn't not want to end the TRNC, they thought we were going soft in the head to want any sort of unification and that we should be working harder to recognition. There is also a group who don't even care what goes on here as they feel so "British" that they want to block out their origins.

[skipper]

And when I say against the Annan Plan, against not for the reasons that the GC's here cite but because it was giving to much to the GC's.

You are so right...they didn't not want to end the TRNC, they thought we were going soft in the head to want any sort of unification and that we should be working harder to recognition. There is also a group who don't even care what goes on here as they feel so "British" that they want to block out their origins.

I think there is a/was a widespread misreading of the whole situation prior to the referendum. The driving force for change at the time was that people felt that Denktas no longer cared about the TC's; government nepotism and corruption out of control and paranoia of TC's feeling that their existance was in danger (I believe at the time the number of TC's was being said to be 65,000) this is what lead to platforms such as "This country is ours". People outside thought at the time the only issue was unification but it was these issues that were pushing for unification and clean-break and new start.

Of course since the referendum alot of things have changed.

Denktas is gone and we have Talat who a broad spectrum of TC's from left to right support.
There is a new government and people now see that all politicans are the same.
The situation with workers/migrants from turkey is now under control, gaining citizenship has been made much much harder.
We now know that the 65,000 numbers being thrown around were not true.
Plus lots of other things I dont have time to mention.

Looking back the referendum has probably done more to unify the TC's then even I dare say the Turkish army arriving in 1974.

I also think the TC's attitude to the TRNC is misunderstood as well. Prior to the referendum the majority of TC's did n't take the TRNC seriously because most people thought the situation was temporary until after a solution. Also remember that the CTP who are now in power were against the setting up of the TRNC but are now in government and running it (A bit like AKEL who were in opposition for so long). So the general attitude is, "it's far from perfect, it's not sacred but it's the only thing we have so we should improve it".

[free_cyprus]

cyprus problem is widespread all arouund the , and it dont matter if they speak turkish or greek, they are cut from the same cloth, and they practice devide and rule wherever they are, and the simple reason for that is the leaders of the soo called cypriot community be it turkish speaking or greek speaking. they practice hate towards each other and when people go to them for help or advice they practice this evil art as if their very lives depended on this,........................ if i did not have first hand knowladge and experiance of this personaly this conversation wouldnt be taking place right now, and i speak for turkish and greek speaking cypriots, they are the same.

[Viewpoint]

Looks like we are left with no option but to stand up and fight for our rights. The referendum was a slap in the face for many TCs like me who thought they could unite with the GCs, little did we know that what are elders told us was correct you cannot trust them they will smile at your face and as soon as you turn your back they will shoot you.

TCs have come of age the referendum has swung things around, our YES has allowed our side of the story to be told on all platforms, and the international arena is now waking to the fact there there 2 sides to this issue and that maybe they cannot unite as their differences are to far apart. The current climate on both sides will in time will prove that talk is cheap and that neither side really wants to take steps that will bring the 2 communities together, if that were the case this could easily be done.

We must all stop hiding behind our fingers and blaming the other side, it shoud be obvious to everyone that neither side has the will, vision or ability to sit down and sincerely work out a solution. All both sides can do is work with whats left the "RoC" and the TRNC.

[Piratis]

TCs have been trying for partition since the 50s. With the Annan plan their partition dream would come true and they would get EU and lots of money as a bonus.
Most of them voted yes, and most of those that rejected it were the settlers that were unsure if they would manage to stay in Cyprus or not.

Now when they saw that partition + EU + money bonus is not possible, they went back to their usual standard partition efforts.

Unfortunately the TCs choose to cooperate with the invaders and therefore their only destiny is that of the Turks of Crete. The minority of Turks of Crete also had the greediness and arrogance of TCs and they have oppressed the Cretans for centuries. But in the end they got what they deserved. If TCs do not stop the crimes and illegalities along with Turkey, then one day they will pay dearly for their crimes and arrogance.

The northern part of Cyprus is the homeland of 200.000 Greek Cypriots and just 50.000 TCs. The illegal occupation of a few decades will not change this fact. They can never Turkify our lands no matter how much they will try. All they can do is to keep their war against Cyprus until the day this war will end with the liberation of Cyprus.

[skipper]

cyprus problem is widespread all arouund the , and it dont matter if they speak turkish or greek, they are cut from the same cloth, and they practice devide and rule wherever they are, and the simple reason for that is the leaders of the soo called cypriot community be it turkish speaking or greek speaking. they practice hate towards each other and when people go to them for help or advice they practice this evil art as if their very lives depended on this,........................ if i did not have first hand knowladge and experiance of this personaly this conversation wouldnt be taking place right now, and i speak for turkish and greek speaking cypriots, they are the same.

free_cyprus, whilst I respect you are free to have your own opinons and I admire the conviction you have for your cause, but you repeating the same thing over and over again does n't make it more likely to change peoples minds. Besides, why divide us into cypriots and non-cypriots surely we're all human at the end of the day and national classification just leads to hatred and war?