skipper wrote:Kikapu wrote:skipper wrote:Kikapu wrote:skipper wrote:[
Kikapu, I can confidently say there are probably more right wing Denktas supporters in London then there are in the whole of cyprus. I was in London when Annan Plan version 1 came out and TC's there were up in arms as it was giving away to many concessions, infact members of the right wing UBP party who were in power where going to London trying and get their message against the AP for families to influence relatives back in Cyprus.
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Huge difference between AP1 and AP5 don't you think.
Not really, the philosophy of them are same in fact from what I've read here GC's regard version 1 to be much more acceptable then version 5.
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Precisly skipper.! The GC's were happier with the AP1 than AP5 and the reverse was for the TC's that you talked about in the UK. That's why the TC's did not like AP1.
VP's and Zan's always wants to blame others, for the situation that the TC's are in the "TRNC", when in fact, it's these "Lemmings" that followed a dictator type of a leader as Dektash was, who as you pointed out, was there to line his own pockets and his cronies, with no doubt, Greek Cypriot properties. In the meantime, he had polluted the minds of the young and the stupid to believe in the Partition, rather than a Unified Cyprus. I always ask the question, as the reasons why partitionist do not want peace with the GC's, is because they have too much to lose, from their ill gains, and that's why, AP5, gave them, most of what they have already taken.
As for Talat, if he did not keep his pledge to have a Unified Cyprus, then you should impeach him for making false promises, just to be elected, then throw his ass out, but of course, you will have to get pass the Turkish Army to do that I'm afraid, and that won't be easy, no matter how much you believe, that TC's are not concerned about the Army. If the TC's are dependent on the Turkeys handout and will not complain, then Turkey has found TC's "achilles heal", and will not change, in the near future.
Trust me until the very last moment Denktas and the UBP were campaigning against the AP, they surely did n't think it gave them everything.
I cant speak about people you know, but from first hand experience people I knew who hated the Annan Plan where no happier about it by version 5, you may find it strange but TC's living in the UK most of whom had lost land in the south and did n't occupy GC land where very upset that the TC states area would shrink from what the TRNC is now, they were also upset that GC's would beable to reside in the TC state you may find this bizare but its the truth.
The statement about Denktas polluting the youth is not really accurate as the people who were most influenced by Denktas where the parents of the youth. Before the gates were opened there was a rally of 50,000 nearly half the TC population and mostly young people under 30 who wanted peace, I remember my farther in London telling me that a GC he knows was taken back when he saw the reports he even said that he nothing could stop a solution now. Where are these youth now? They're still here, they have n't been poisened by Talat now just that they seem to no longer be concerned and have no interest in living with GC's in a solution. What annoys me the most however is how GC's negate all of this as if it was some kind of stage managed theatre for the benefit of TC's.
Talat has as much support from TC's as Papadopoulos does from GC's, that is the majority of people support him. Each side blames the other yet approval of their leaders are high, so what does reflect about the public in general on both sides?
Whatever you may want to believe Talat was not made leader by the Turkish Army, infact he was a major hate figure by the right during the Denktas years by the Army and Right wing here. You can come up with conspiracy theories about the Army putting him there but the simple matter of fact is that the Turkish Army is just not that clever! If they were we'd be in a completely different situation right now.
TC's dont complain because you seem to forget that these are people with families, with bills and rent to pay. Like I said if the economic independance of the TC was made possible then Turkey would be less active in the general affairs of the North.
Anyhow, this is my last post for a while as this board seems to drain you. If here is a relfection of the cyprus problem then I can see why we have n't had a solution.
Thanks skipper for your time and your posts. I enjoyed reading them, because you gave them the way you see it / saw it, without all the "spin" and hatred that some people on the forum are unable to do. I hope you post more often, rather than once every 2 months or so.
Take care.
