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[free_cyprus]

GIRLS YOUR STILL ARGUING LOL

[skipper]

What are you on about? We don't want anything from you, I'm just pointing out that nearly all economic growth you have attained has been due to the fact that you maintain the RoC from 1960, you then twisted that to some kind of demand from you for something, which is just a typical stereotype of TC's by GC's.

We “maintain” the RoC? What do you think the RoC is a fun park? The RoC are the PEOPLE who managed to overcome a full-blown military invasion by picking up the peaces and rebuilding from scratch. It’s their hard work and business astuteness that enabled them to prosper and not some statute written in those god-forsaken 1960s agreements forced upon them that “guaranteed” prosperity!

You're harping on about how due to your now increased economic position

The “now” increased economic position? It didn’t take the RoC very long to pick up the peaces and rebuild my good man and it’s not by any accident as I explained above. The TCs have sniffed the mighty Cyprus pound and want to climb on the bandwagon which we built and on top of that they want to make the rules! Well fancy that!

Yes you do maintain that the RoC is the one from 1960 don't you? Thats what I've repeatedly asked and you cant seem to answer that question so you try and twist the argument.. I have repeatedly asked you why does your greater economic prosperity say that we should give up power sharing??? Instead you are just losing your cool and repeating the stereo typical GC view of TC's, we dont want your wealth! we want to create our own. This is just a nice way to demonize TC's and to justify to yourselves that your demands in 1963 was right.

..it should some how negate the political powersharing because we "dont deserve it", we've never asked for a slice of your cake infact we've wanted to make our own cake larger but you've done everything you can to make sure that does n't happen.

Oh please don’t bring up the “embargo” because I’ll need a barf bag! The two tons of tomatoes and three tons of cucumbers you produce get gobbled up by the Warfies at the nearest Turkish port! Not only do they buy ALL your produce but they also give you handouts! What have you got to export?...mountain-range flag building???

Are you really saying that the GC have export based economy?!? Like I said before and you conveniently ignored.. Tourism, Shipping and Banking(aka money laundering) have been the main sectors that have driven the GC's economic growth, all areas which the TC's have had no chance developing and the you go on simply state someone how the TC's are simply lazy and incapable and then have the gaul to gloat! simply amazing anything to belittle TC's, but hey as long as it makes you feel better and thats right we do export, we used to export alot more but you put an end to that in the 90's.

It's the GC that want everything 100% unified but then go moan that under that unification we'ill get more than we deserve, dont you see the contradiction here? You then go on to say if TC's become economically more prosperous they won't want unification so its a complete no win senario.

The RoC is entitled to all its territory whether you like or not because the UN says so…

RESOLUTION 3212 (XXIX)
http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/UN ... d3212.html

Repeated again a year later…

RESOLUTION 3395 (XXX)
http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/UN ... d3395.html

…and repeated again for many years thereafter which I won't quote.

Oh I see, NOW I understand. You don't accept the 1960 RoC because of the power sharing aspects of it yet you want the territorial integrity of the very same 1960 RoC enforced! Nice convoluted argument there, I applaud your logic Sir!

As I said, you should count your blessings you get a crack at assimilation because in all honesty beggars can’t be choosers!

Who's begging who? Most TC's would prefer to abandon cyprus altogether and let turkey fill the place with half a million migrants then be assimilated into a GC RoC.

[Get Real!]

How can there be on or off the record, every other GC post I have read has gone on about legality so tell me, legally does the GC's claim that the current RoC is the same one as of the 1960 constitution? it's a simple Yes or No question.

Forget what some of my foolhardy compatriots have been telling you because I actually happen to be living in Cyprus and have a different view…

I belong to a new breed, the ever-increasing greedy GC capitalists NOT happy about paying for your community’s Healthcare, Unemployment, Social Security, and other benefits, while they pay their taxes to the enemy AND harbor them thank you very much!

Those who don’t pay allegiance to the Republic of Cyprus should climb back on their rafts and paddle back to Turkey as far as I’m concerned! Enough of this clowning around!

[Get Real!]

Skipper...

Yes you do maintain that the RoC is the one from 1960 don't you? Thats what I've repeatedly asked and you cant seem to answer that question so you try and twist the argument..

For the last three decades the Turkish Cypriot representation has been none other than the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” which has OFFICIALLY announced that they do NOT recognize the 1960 agreements.

So unfortunately for you, you cannot claim any benefit from something you do NOT recognize and needless to say of course that this rejection of the 1960 agreements has very serious repercussions on all other Cyprus problem issues.

[free_cyprus]

Get Real!
who benefited from the 1960 agreement not cyprus fuck they sold us down the river by agreeing to such a shit agreement in the first place.............. who drew up the agreement turkey greece britain cyprus had nothing to say except yes to it ........................... 1960 was an oppertunity for the cypriot people to act out of inspiration instead they acted out of desparation and thats why we dont have a cyprus today but we should be thankful i guess we have turkish and greek cypriots lol the fecking idiots

[Kikapu]

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Kikapu, I can confidently say there are probably more right wing Denktas supporters in London then there are in the whole of cyprus. I was in London when Annan Plan version 1 came out and TC's there were up in arms as it was giving away to many concessions, infact members of the right wing UBP party who were in power where going to London trying and get their message against the AP for families to influence relatives back in Cyprus.

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Huge difference between AP1 and AP5 don't you think.

Not really, the philosophy of them are same in fact from what I've read here GC's regard version 1 to be much more acceptable then version 5.

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Precisly skipper.! The GC's were happier with the AP1 than AP5 and the reverse was for the TC's that you talked about in the UK. That's why the TC's did not like AP1.

VP's and Zan's always wants to blame others, for the situation that the TC's are in the "TRNC", when in fact, it's these "Lemmings" that followed a dictator type of a leader as Dektash was, who as you pointed out, was there to line his own pockets and his cronies, with no doubt, Greek Cypriot properties. In the meantime, he had polluted the minds of the young and the stupid to believe in the Partition, rather than a Unified Cyprus. I always ask the question, as the reasons why partitionist do not want peace with the GC's, is because they have too much to lose, from their ill gains, and that's why, AP5, gave them, most of what they have already taken.

As for Talat, if he did not keep his pledge to have a Unified Cyprus, then you should impeach him for making false promises, just to be elected, then throw his ass out, but of course, you will have to get pass the Turkish Army to do that I'm afraid, and that won't be easy, no matter how much you believe, that TC's are not concerned about the Army. If the TC's are dependent on the Turkeys handout and will not complain, then Turkey has found TC's "achilles heal", and will not change, in the near future.

[skipper]

Skipper...

Yes you do maintain that the RoC is the one from 1960 don't you? Thats what I've repeatedly asked and you cant seem to answer that question so you try and twist the argument..

For the last three decades the Turkish Cypriot representation has been none other than the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” which has OFFICIALLY announced that they do NOT recognize the 1960 agreements.

So unfortunately for you, you cannot claim any benefit from something you do NOT recognize and needless to say of course that this rejection of the 1960 agreements has very serious repercussions on all other Cyprus problem issues.

You do not answer my question. Do the GC's or not say that the RoC as it is now is the same 1960 RoC its a simple question, amazingly you cant seem to answer it.

I refer to the 1960 RoC because it is the sole thing that the GC's and TC's have their signature to. The TC's dont reject the 1960's agreements, the TC's say that since the 1960 RoC is a partnership state the RoC state which is run solely by GC's now cannot be the same. Since statehood for the GC's come from the 1960 RoC it seems on one hand you want the legitamacy of the state but on the other hand cant seem to accept its consitutional elements such as power sharing. So its funny you tell me that the TC's dont recognise the 1960 RoC, it seems that the GC's dont either.

[skipper]

How can there be on or off the record, every other GC post I have read has gone on about legality so tell me, legally does the GC's claim that the current RoC is the same one as of the 1960 constitution? it's a simple Yes or No question.

Forget what some of my foolhardy compatriots have been telling you because I actually happen to be living in Cyprus and have a different view…

I belong to a new breed, the ever-increasing greedy GC capitalists NOT happy about paying for your community’s Healthcare, Unemployment, Social Security, and other benefits, while they pay their taxes to the enemy AND harbor them thank you very much!

Those who don’t pay allegiance to the Republic of Cyprus should climb back on their rafts and paddle back to Turkey as far as I’m concerned! Enough of this clowning around!

Please do so, revoke all citizenship to TC's who do not reside in the south and pay taxes. Declare that the all agreements such as the treaty of establishment from 1960 as null & void and create a new consitition to your liking and declare your new state infact nothing would pleasure me more dont think that us TC's are holding you back in anyway.

[Get Real!]

You do not answer my question. Do the GC's or not say that the RoC as it is now is the same 1960 RoC its a simple question, amazingly you cant seem to answer it.

The RoC says a lot of things just as everyone else but YOU are the one who has avoided ALL the issues I have brought up over several messages.

Your "argument" hangs by the flimsy thread of what the RoC might or might not have said at one stage or another... Big deal!

I refer to the 1960 RoC because it is the sole thing that the GC's and TC's have their signature to.

Yup, EXACTLY what you have run away from... in a court of law that is referred to as "abandonment". You might want to read up on one’s rights when they abandon a partnership be it commercial or a marriage.

The TC's dont reject the 1960's agreements, the TC's say that since the 1960 RoC is a partnership state the RoC state which is run solely by GC's now cannot be the same.

Both Denktash and Talat have announced on MANY occasions that they do NOT recognise the RoC and that they are the only reps of the TCs. You might want to get your facts right.

Since statehood for the GC's come from the 1960 RoC it seems on one hand you want the legitamacy of the state but on the other hand cant seem to accept its consitutional elements such as power sharing. So its funny you tell me that the TC's dont recognise the 1960 RoC, it seems that the GC's dont either.

You forfeited you “rights” by abandoning your partnership and the deserted partner continued the “business” if you like and in doing so not only gets to keep the rights under the original partnership but they now also retain the right NOT to allow the old partner to return. You might want to read up on basic commercial partnership laws.

In any case, under the UNDEMOCRATIC 1960 arrangements a minority of 18% was given 30% of the House of Representatives and all governmental, administrative and state posts, 40% of the security forces, and a vice - president with veto power.

Such was the injustice forced upon the GC community and you're poking at going back to that? Such travesty can never be allowed to ever happen again.

[skipper]

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Kikapu, I can confidently say there are probably more right wing Denktas supporters in London then there are in the whole of cyprus. I was in London when Annan Plan version 1 came out and TC's there were up in arms as it was giving away to many concessions, infact members of the right wing UBP party who were in power where going to London trying and get their message against the AP for families to influence relatives back in Cyprus.

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Huge difference between AP1 and AP5 don't you think.

Not really, the philosophy of them are same in fact from what I've read here GC's regard version 1 to be much more acceptable then version 5.

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Precisly skipper.! The GC's were happier with the AP1 than AP5 and the reverse was for the TC's that you talked about in the UK. That's why the TC's did not like AP1.

VP's and Zan's always wants to blame others, for the situation that the TC's are in the "TRNC", when in fact, it's these "Lemmings" that followed a dictator type of a leader as Dektash was, who as you pointed out, was there to line his own pockets and his cronies, with no doubt, Greek Cypriot properties. In the meantime, he had polluted the minds of the young and the stupid to believe in the Partition, rather than a Unified Cyprus. I always ask the question, as the reasons why partitionist do not want peace with the GC's, is because they have too much to lose, from their ill gains, and that's why, AP5, gave them, most of what they have already taken.

As for Talat, if he did not keep his pledge to have a Unified Cyprus, then you should impeach him for making false promises, just to be elected, then throw his ass out, but of course, you will have to get pass the Turkish Army to do that I'm afraid, and that won't be easy, no matter how much you believe, that TC's are not concerned about the Army. If the TC's are dependent on the Turkeys handout and will not complain, then Turkey has found TC's "achilles heal", and will not change, in the near future.

Trust me until the very last moment Denktas and the UBP were campaigning against the AP, they surely did n't think it gave them everything.

I cant speak about people you know, but from first hand experience people I knew who hated the Annan Plan where no happier about it by version 5, you may find it strange but TC's living in the UK most of whom had lost land in the south and did n't occupy GC land where very upset that the TC states area would shrink from what the TRNC is now, they were also upset that GC's would beable to reside in the TC state you may find this bizare but its the truth.

The statement about Denktas polluting the youth is not really accurate as the people who were most influenced by Denktas where the parents of the youth. Before the gates were opened there was a rally of 50,000 nearly half the TC population and mostly young people under 30 who wanted peace, I remember my farther in London telling me that a GC he knows was taken back when he saw the reports he even said that he nothing could stop a solution now. Where are these youth now? They're still here, they have n't been poisened by Talat now just that they seem to no longer be concerned and have no interest in living with GC's in a solution. What annoys me the most however is how GC's negate all of this as if it was some kind of stage managed theatre for the benefit of TC's.

Talat has as much support from TC's as Papadopoulos does from GC's, that is the majority of people support him. Each side blames the other yet approval of their leaders are high, so what does reflect about the public in general on both sides?

Whatever you may want to believe Talat was not made leader by the Turkish Army, infact he was a major hate figure by the right during the Denktas years by the Army and Right wing here. You can come up with conspiracy theories about the Army putting him there but the simple matter of fact is that the Turkish Army is just not that clever! If they were we'd be in a completely different situation right now.

TC's dont complain because you seem to forget that these are people with families, with bills and rent to pay. Like I said if the economic independance of the TC was made possible then Turkey would be less active in the general affairs of the North.

Anyhow, this is my last post for a while as this board seems to drain you. If here is a relfection of the cyprus problem then I can see why we have n't had a solution.