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[Get Real!]

A solution based on military action against Turkey is not only a joke but a dangerous joke as well.
The only powers that can make Turkey pack up and leave Cyprus are two. The USA and the T/Cs .
Don't even mention Russia , Britain or Greece , only the USA , Turkeys most powerful ally .
The USA will never declare war on a NATO nation .
The T/Cs , what is left of them , may just demand the withdrawal of the Turkish army if not wholly at least partly but only when a solution is in sight , or when " unification" by the back door is occurring. That will happen possibly some time in the next few years provided the "TRNC" remains un recognised , highly unlikely given the results of the recent elections.

Good morning Miltiades. Any good news yet?

I am sure if TCs voted for the withdrawal of the Turkish Army, the Turkish gov. might take heed. But somehow I dont see that they will withdraw completely. They might want to have a 'small' token presence on the island for 'face saving'. I know the GCs want a total removal, but would thay compromise on a 'major reduction' instead? It would be wise not to ask for the impossible. Ofcourse this would also depend on the outcome of any peace settlement towards unification.

Regards

Stop dangling carrots to that sucker Miltiades ....

If the TCs were ever going to ask Turkey to leave Cyprus, so that they can rejoin their brothers in the south, why have they not done so after 3 decades?

Now, there are even less TCs than ever before on Cyprus (like you) ... so who is going to ask Turkey to leave?

The TCs have taken themselves away from the negotiating table.

It's up to the GCs to use the real power at their disposal to remove the Turks, and forget troubling the otherwise engaged cowardly TCs.

And what may I ask is that REAL power that the G/Cs have in order to remove the Turkish troops ? Oracle you do talk rubbish and you know it too.
There is no power on earth that will make Turkey remove one single soldier. The only power is the USA and the T/Cs , now since you , along with GR hate both fat chance of that happening. My contribution to the solution is to embrace all Cypriots as brothers and sisters , get rid of the foreign influences and concentrate on building bridges to bring our people together.The alternative doesn't bear thinking .
ps. Call me sucker once again and you may just , if your lucky , get a real taste of Miltiades anger !!!!

A touch hypocritical aren't you Miltiades? Since the plan with the US won't work and they won't go to war with the Turks you've decided the next best thing is to be-friend them?

BTW this Miltiades anger you keep going on about is starting to sound very kinky....its a bit like you've named a sex toy the "Miltiades Anger".

I guess Miltiades’ only option is to offer Turkey his arse… only thing they’re not interested.

If jerks like Miltiades represent “Cypriots” then this island isn’t worth liberating I can tell you now.

[bill cobbett]

I'd like to volunteer for this New Model Cypriot Army. I'm getting on a bit but presumably age won't be a barrier.

Would I be able to wear a vraga and can I bring along my great-grandfather's kounellosfagti?

[repulsewarrior]

mighty military strength here is not a bad idea if it serves a pupose which goes beyond national borders. There are enemies of us all which needs the battle hardy: they are hunger and disease to name two.

I am intrigued to hear, how mighty military strength can be used to fight the battles of hunger and disease.

ella OP use your imagination...

the one thing that we have as people is the service we can offer others.

geographically we are the strategic launching point for three continents.

human tragedy, mayhem, and natural disaster are all around us.

these factors, along with the socio-economic factors that make being Human an alternative to plunder is at its advent. don't you think that the authority of the UN and like minded States would not find it inviting, this island, as a post?

to say the least, NATO in its European context would be well served by this location for the work they do against terrorists. our military forces, along with Turkey's, and others, like Greece and the US are better serving their interests when they build amongst themselves the lines of communication that working as allies involves. As "peacekeepers" it would be hard to imagine a "safer" place in the world.

certainly, it will be easier to build a supramilitarised capacity here, than to demilitarise the island because of its utmost importance to Turkey's defence, and because to the other interlocutors, leaving it to Cypriots exclusively seems to be entirely out of the question. Turkey is, and will remain, in my opinion the greatest threat to all the parties that have concern in the region, with this 'floating aircraft carrier'. It has a powerful force by size and equipment, with the ambition to be dominant and to lead internationally, while its position in the geo-political spheres remains obscured by an inability to overcome the forces that oppose it, as it is risking stagnation with and inability to embrace change.

most importantly, only Malta is a smaller player, whatever 'we' can do to defend ourselves, very little can be done proportionally and by force.
...although...

I think world politics is coming full circle from the denial we came to with the failings of the Great War, and the politics which came with that blind eye, ...like Grivas, a hero to guerrillas everywhere, not unlike Che who revered him, and who followed, we have Bin Laden, and his shame. all in the denial of our will to plunder as though it is valueless, life, unless it is exploited, and that it must belong. you won't get this, i know, but i'm glad to say it, i remember, i will not forget, i made that oath, to those boys who fell in their millions, for this cause, long before there was a State to think about, called Cyprus, for our Freedom, for this horror to end, through Grace. Cyprus is a way.

And it is up to us to demonstrate the Humanity that all Mankind can emulate, in their esteem.

[miltiades]

A solution based on military action against Turkey is not only a joke but a dangerous joke as well.
The only powers that can make Turkey pack up and leave Cyprus are two. The USA and the T/Cs .
Don't even mention Russia , Britain or Greece , only the USA , Turkeys most powerful ally .
The USA will never declare war on a NATO nation .
The T/Cs , what is left of them , may just demand the withdrawal of the Turkish army if not wholly at least partly but only when a solution is in sight , or when " unification" by the back door is occurring. That will happen possibly some time in the next few years provided the "TRNC" remains un recognised , highly unlikely given the results of the recent elections.

Good morning Miltiades. Any good news yet?

I am sure if TCs voted for the withdrawal of the Turkish Army, the Turkish gov. might take heed. But somehow I dont see that they will withdraw completely. They might want to have a 'small' token presence on the island for 'face saving'. I know the GCs want a total removal, but would thay compromise on a 'major reduction' instead? It would be wise not to ask for the impossible. Ofcourse this would also depend on the outcome of any peace settlement towards unification.

Regards

Stop dangling carrots to that sucker Miltiades ....

If the TCs were ever going to ask Turkey to leave Cyprus, so that they can rejoin their brothers in the south, why have they not done so after 3 decades?

Now, there are even less TCs than ever before on Cyprus (like you) ... so who is going to ask Turkey to leave?

The TCs have taken themselves away from the negotiating table.

It's up to the GCs to use the real power at their disposal to remove the Turks, and forget troubling the otherwise engaged cowardly TCs.

And what may I ask is that REAL power that the G/Cs have in order to remove the Turkish troops ? Oracle you do talk rubbish and you know it too.
There is no power on earth that will make Turkey remove one single soldier. The only power is the USA and the T/Cs , now since you , along with GR hate both fat chance of that happening. My contribution to the solution is to embrace all Cypriots as brothers and sisters , get rid of the foreign influences and concentrate on building bridges to bring our people together.The alternative doesn't bear thinking .
ps. Call me sucker once again and you may just , if your lucky , get a real taste of Miltiades anger !!!!

A touch hypocritical aren't you Miltiades? Since the plan with the US won't work and they won't go to war with the Turks you've decided the next best thing is to be-friend them?

BTW this Miltiades anger you keep going on about is starting to sound very kinky....its a bit like you've named a sex toy the "Miltiades Anger".

I guess Miltiades’ only option is to offer Turkey his arse… only thing they’re not interested.

If jerks like Miltiades represent “Cypriots” then this island isn’t worth liberating I can tell you now.

The problem that we all face in Cyprus right now , the deaths of thousands of Cypriots , the thousands of refugees and the insecurity that our future generation will face , are the results of arseholes like GR !
They bury their stupid heads in the sand , they shout their mouth off against the ONLY countries that could help , the side with fucking Bin Laden , the Arab world not forgetting Cuba and then demand that their hate pet , America does something positive to save their arses. The USA has steadfastly denied the recognition that Turkey so much demands for the occupied part of Cyprus. Do they appreciate this ? This first class plonker who detests America doesn't have the brain to realise that it is because America does not recognise the "TRNC" that the rest of the world does not follow.
He prefers to enlist the power of the mercenary army Blackwater !!
He says that if all Cypriots were like Miltiades this island would not be worth liberating. You notice again the phraseology used " liberate ".
How are you planning to liberate the island Marshal Plonker , I know bring on the mercenaries.
If all Cypriots were like Miltiades , Bir , Kikapou , Bananiot and other like minded realists there would be no problem in Cyprus. We would eject the foreign powers without the need of mercenaries war death and destruction .
I dont like you plonker , I think you are a first class arsehole , I figured you out a long time ago more so after seeing your ugly mug on the forum. Your a conceited highly self centered moron who needs to seriously consider abandoning political debates .
I will carry on interacting with my Cypriot compatriots and assure them that the GRs of this island are the ineffective demoralized morons who think that by farting continualy Turkey might just tire and leave !!

[Oracle]

mighty military strength here is not a bad idea if it serves a pupose which goes beyond national borders. There are enemies of us all which needs the battle hardy: they are hunger and disease to name two.

I am intrigued to hear, how mighty military strength can be used to fight the battles of hunger and disease.

ella OP use your imagination...

the one thing that we have as people is the service we can offer others.

geographically we are the strategic launching point for three continents.

human tragedy, mayhem, and natural disaster are all around us.

these factors, along with the socio-economic factors that make being Human an alternative to plunder is at its advent. don't you think that the authority of the UN and like minded States would not find it inviting, this island, as a post?

to say the least, NATO in its European context would be well served by this location for the work they do against terrorists. .

OK, RW: This much I understand, and like very much.

As for the rest of your plans ... they sound like you are advocating Cyprus provide mercenaries ... which I do not agree with.

[miltiades]

Brittania wrote:
"""""A touch hypocritical aren't you Miltiades? Since the plan with the US won't work and they won't go to war with the Turks you've decided the next best thing is to be-friend them?

BTW this Miltiades anger you keep going on about is starting to sound very kinky....its a bit like you've named a sex toy the "Miltiades Anger".""""

Wrong . I have been friends with T/Cs for many years now , long before the troubles started. I posted in the past that as a young 7 year old , following the earthquaqe of 1953 and the death of my mother , was taken to the then Limasol Orphanage , Pediki Steyi as it was then called.
It was a mixed orpanage , boys and girls , maximum age 12 years old , T/Cs and G/Cs sharing the same dormitories , playing together and doing all things that boys that age do. I remember one T/C in particular , he was my best mate , never saw him as anything else other than a little boy orphan just like me.
I admit that leaving Cyprus in 1961 and not witnessing the unpleasantness has naturally contributed to the moulding of my views which are not adversely affected by the horrid events of the early 60s. Turkeys invasion of 1974 has affected me just as much as every other G/C , but at almost 62 , I'm wise enough to understand that Turkey WILL never leave Cyprus by force , even if such force was available the process of a Turkish departure from Cyprus by force would be catastrophic and perhaps irreversible for our island.
I have realized that only by negotiating , understanding and interacting with our T/C compatriots can we achieve the required result . It does not mean capitulating or accepting defeat , since defeat has already been suffered .
There is incidentally nothing " kinky " in my repertoire just solid no nonsense approach coupled with my inability to tolerate fools and stupidity such as that expressed by the Plonker GR !!

[DT.]

Bottom line whether people like it or not, every President we've had since Kyprianou has been trying to solve this with the inclusion of a demilitarised island constantly attached to the BBF.

This includes President Christofias.

P.S the only person that ran a campaign in favour of maintaining a national guard on the island after a solution was Kasoulides which of course GR, Nikitas and others did not support.

[repulsewarrior]

mighty military strength here is not a bad idea if it serves a pupose which goes beyond national borders. There are enemies of us all which needs the battle hardy: they are hunger and disease to name two.

I am intrigued to hear, how mighty military strength can be used to fight the battles of hunger and disease.

ella OP use your imagination...

the one thing that we have as people is the service we can offer others.

geographically we are the strategic launching point for three continents.

human tragedy, mayhem, and natural disaster are all around us.

these factors, along with the socio-economic factors that make being Human an alternative to plunder is at its advent. don't you think that the authority of the UN and like minded States would not find it inviting, this island, as a post?

to say the least, NATO in its European context would be well served by this location for the work they do against terrorists. .

OK, RW: This much I understand, and like very much.

As for the rest of your plans ... they sound like you are advocating Cyprus provide mercenaries ... which I do not agree with.

thank-you ms. O.

...but that is all to understand. the rest is histrionics if you will, as I was trying to support my point. if UN troops, or any coalition gather to fight the evil of Human disaster, it may be considered mercenary from the perspective of those who will oppose them. however, with the global conditions as they are, it is necessary to gather States beyond the fronitiers of their own borders for their security, not to act as nations, but as a "Family of Man".

cyprus, in this context will have a military, capable of defending it's own State and the government which defends the rights of its citizens without having the context of being greek or turkish. rather it will be identified by the principals by which it stands.

[purdey]

You missed one.Bring in professional combat trainers,send back the Greek advisors.
What is with France ?

[Get Real!]

A solution based on military action against Turkey is not only a joke but a dangerous joke as well.
The only powers that can make Turkey pack up and leave Cyprus are two. The USA and the T/Cs .
Don't even mention Russia , Britain or Greece , only the USA , Turkeys most powerful ally .
The USA will never declare war on a NATO nation .
The T/Cs , what is left of them , may just demand the withdrawal of the Turkish army if not wholly at least partly but only when a solution is in sight , or when " unification" by the back door is occurring. That will happen possibly some time in the next few years provided the "TRNC" remains un recognised , highly unlikely given the results of the recent elections.

Good morning Miltiades. Any good news yet?

I am sure if TCs voted for the withdrawal of the Turkish Army, the Turkish gov. might take heed. But somehow I dont see that they will withdraw completely. They might want to have a 'small' token presence on the island for 'face saving'. I know the GCs want a total removal, but would thay compromise on a 'major reduction' instead? It would be wise not to ask for the impossible. Ofcourse this would also depend on the outcome of any peace settlement towards unification.

Regards

Stop dangling carrots to that sucker Miltiades ....

If the TCs were ever going to ask Turkey to leave Cyprus, so that they can rejoin their brothers in the south, why have they not done so after 3 decades?

Now, there are even less TCs than ever before on Cyprus (like you) ... so who is going to ask Turkey to leave?

The TCs have taken themselves away from the negotiating table.

It's up to the GCs to use the real power at their disposal to remove the Turks, and forget troubling the otherwise engaged cowardly TCs.

And what may I ask is that REAL power that the G/Cs have in order to remove the Turkish troops ? Oracle you do talk rubbish and you know it too.
There is no power on earth that will make Turkey remove one single soldier. The only power is the USA and the T/Cs , now since you , along with GR hate both fat chance of that happening. My contribution to the solution is to embrace all Cypriots as brothers and sisters , get rid of the foreign influences and concentrate on building bridges to bring our people together.The alternative doesn't bear thinking .
ps. Call me sucker once again and you may just , if your lucky , get a real taste of Miltiades anger !!!!

A touch hypocritical aren't you Miltiades? Since the plan with the US won't work and they won't go to war with the Turks you've decided the next best thing is to be-friend them?

BTW this Miltiades anger you keep going on about is starting to sound very kinky....its a bit like you've named a sex toy the "Miltiades Anger".

I guess Miltiades’ only option is to offer Turkey his arse… only thing they’re not interested.

If jerks like Miltiades represent “Cypriots” then this island isn’t worth liberating I can tell you now.

The problem that we all face in Cyprus right now , the deaths of thousands of Cypriots , the thousands of refugees and the insecurity that our future generation will face , are the results of arseholes like GR !
They bury their stupid heads in the sand , they shout their mouth off against the ONLY countries that could help , the side with fucking Bin Laden , the Arab world not forgetting Cuba and then demand that their hate pet , America does something positive to save their arses. The USA has steadfastly denied the recognition that Turkey so much demands for the occupied part of Cyprus. Do they appreciate this ? This first class plonker who detests America doesn't have the brain to realise that it is because America does not recognise the "TRNC" that the rest of the world does not follow.
He prefers to enlist the power of the mercenary army Blackwater !!
He says that if all Cypriots were like Miltiades this island would not be worth liberating. You notice again the phraseology used " liberate ".
How are you planning to liberate the island Marshal Plonker , I know bring on the mercenaries.
If all Cypriots were like Miltiades , Bir , Kikapou , Bananiot and other like minded realists there would be no problem in Cyprus. We would eject the foreign powers without the need of mercenaries war death and destruction .
I dont like you plonker , I think you are a first class arsehole , I figured you out a long time ago more so after seeing your ugly mug on the forum. Your a conceited highly self centered moron who needs to seriously consider abandoning political debates .
I will carry on interacting with my Cypriot compatriots and assure them that the GRs of this island are the ineffective demoralized morons who think that by farting continualy Turkey might just tire and leave !!

When you remove Kikapu from that group of weirdos you’ll find that you’re left with the three pseudo-Cypriot stooges which can NEVER fool GR…

Other than that Miltiades, I'd show you how much respect I have for you and your thoughts but I doubt you've got a microscope handy...