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Cyprus Problem :: RE: Agreement is standing on the table with its signatures !!!

repulsewarrior — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:49:46 GMT

Author: repulsewarrior
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:49 am (GMT 3)

not north and south my friend: "Greek Cypriot" or "Turkish Cypriot".

...now consider again, how "enclaves" can be added to our geography.
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Cyprus Problem :: RE: Video speech of Talat

bill cobbett — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:43:07 GMT

Author: bill cobbett
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:43 am (GMT 3)

Kifeas wrote:

Viewpoint wrote:

Kifeas wrote:

Viewpoint wrote:

NO humanist their ports means our ports in the northi the GCs objected to this wording but the objection was rejected and the wording remains, so what are GCs going to do about it?

VP, this objection was rejected because of a mere technicality, due to the fact that the legal committee did not have the time to examine it, (like it did and approved all the other objections raised by the GC side,) and also because of one stupid GC parliamentarian, Andros Kyprianou, who failed to get things on truck. However, do not get overexcited, because the remark "through their own ports," that managed to stay in the adopted resolution, has been taken care in a previous paragraph (9) in which it makes it clear that any direct trade measures must comply with resolutions 541 and 550 of the UNSC. Furthermore, the very fact that PACE recognises the RoC as the only legal, sovereign and legitimate entity in Cyprus, hence the fact that it (RoC) is a full member of the CoE, renters the above remark as literally meaningless, and a purely "cosmetic" trick in order to "sweeten the pill."

Double stands yet again from teh EU, the voted for the sentence to remain as is, we are not suprised if they have wormed their way out of it as they have made it very clear that they on the GCs side. Thats why we will never accept their security in place of Turkey as they could do the same when the stakes are much higher, like our lives.

I fear our confused VPVP will be even more confused to know that PACE has existed since 1949 and that Turkey is a member with 12 seats
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johnny1 — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:37:06 GMT

Author: johnny1
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:37 am (GMT 3)

does it come with some fish?

Cyprus Problem :: RE: Video speech of Talat

Kifeas — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:34:04 GMT

Author: Kifeas
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:34 am (GMT 3)

Viewpoint wrote:

Kifeas wrote:

Viewpoint wrote:

NO humanist their ports means our ports in the northi the GCs objected to this wording but the objection was rejected and the wording remains, so what are GCs going to do about it?

VP, you seem to be confused! The Council of Europe has nothing to do with the EU. They are two separate institutions. The PACE (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe) has nothing to do with the EU parliament.
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johnny1 — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:32:36 GMT

Author: johnny1
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:32 am (GMT 3)

can u send fotos of the car

General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

bill cobbett — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:13:49 GMT

Author: bill cobbett
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:13 am (GMT 3)

miltiades wrote:

bill cobbett wrote:

Not of much interest to people I guess, but I'll be going to the US for the first time in August 2017. Finances permitting.

That's 9 years away Bill , you are a planner aren't you

Thank you M...some might say ...also a schemer.

My second and last trip to the USA will be in April 2024!
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Cyprus Problem :: RE: GC Villages under Turkish ocupation

Get Real! — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:10:35 GMT

Author: Get Real!
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:10 am (GMT 3)

Viewpoint wrote:

Get Real! wrote:

Viewpoint wrote:

Get Real! wrote:

halil wrote:

...troubles, complaints between two communities started earlier than 63 in Lapitos .

Greek Cypriot complains started from 1570 when your forefathers set foot here uninvited.

You still haven�t told us WHO gave you permission to come here�

Why are you asking us? we werent around then and no choice in the matter.

Well then quit moaning about 63 or any other year from the past for that matter. Just as you don�t feel responsible for anything that was done to the indigenous Cypriots all these centuries why should they give a rat�s arse about a bunch of criminals who came here uninvited to kill and steal, and who are apparently STILL causing trouble in their homeland?

The problem for us is not the past Ottomans but the current GCs who have shown they are still racist vegence seeking people who stop at nothing to eradicate the island of its TC population, thats why sageguards are paramount to ensure the mistakes of the past are not repeated.

The problem for us is both the past AND the present Ottomans who are the constant nuisance of our homeland. Your REAL home is just a minor boat trip away� TAKE IT!

The mistake from the past is YOUR PEOPLE setting their foot on this Cypriot land in the first place and playing games thereafter for some 400 years. Get out!

As for your "safeguards", go to Turkey where you�ll have them because here I piss on them big time.
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Cyprus Problem :: RE: Agreement is standing on the table with its signatures !!!

Viewpoint — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:06:27 GMT

Author: Viewpoint
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:06 am (GMT 3)

repulsewarrior wrote:

VP, we have been at this game for over thirty years. And over that time, only Denktash has been cited by each and every SG at the UN for intransigence and the cause of the impasse.

you have an equal right, and because the "Greeks" said "no" to a plan that was nothing more than a plan it is no reason to seek pity, or to produce this incidence as proof for the need to accept Turkey's fait accompli. remember, we all voted "for" unity.

furthermore, if the signatures are on the agreement which is our subject in this thread, i fully expect that it is respected, unlike the misquote (again and again) by halil in particular and generally in the (turkish) press. i expect mr. talat to stand up, if he is a leader, for all cypriots, without distinction for their creed or colour, and as the representative for Turkish Cypriots to govern himself in a manner where all of us can feel a sense of pride in this distinction, not just a segment of the TC population, as a confident and inclusive people, who with his counterpart chrisofias, are clear in this desire to represent the best of our nature as Human beings (Individual and/or Person), by character, and by our origins as well, in their negociations.

i expect a State where we are Individuals, who are united in bettering our condition as People. And i expect another level of government where, as Communities we are equals, and able, in sustaining our respective identities as Persons.

this isolation from each other IS a form of racism (and a form of control). we are this island's dwellers: THAT is the fact. it is the moment where we must choose, and its Heritance is older than "us". it is not the Cypriot way, and i don't care if you are "Greek", or "Turkish", or your fears, it is wrong.

Repulse the last impasse was caused by the GCs thats the one everyone remembers because it was the first time it was put to vote of the people.
President Talat is the only flexible leader and real believer in unification, there is no one else to replace him, do you want a hardliner who will not give GCs the time of day or settler who arrived in 1975 who has no past or sympathies towards GCs? If the GCs really mean business then their best option is President Talat because you have no chnace with any one from the other parties.

Never forget we have just as much weight as the GCs in deicding the solution, if you have a democratic right to say no then you cannot deny us this right either because a new plan may not be anything we wish to accept so have no doubt we will say no.

The current situation is just as much you doing as it mine and we will fight our corner as we see fit, by now you must understand that we are a proud people and will not live under GC dominance or discrimination ever again.

We to want there to be an end to this problem where everyone is 100% satisfied but we all know this will not be the case and one side will have to give more than the other, we all want to live in political harmony and allow all people of this beautiful island equal opportunity to better themselves, thats why an equal playing field is necessary so the people can choose for themselves under which administration they wish to live north or south.
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Cyprus Problem :: RE: Video speech of Talat

Viewpoint — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:57:15 GMT

Author: Viewpoint
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:57 am (GMT 3)

Kifeas wrote:

Viewpoint wrote:

NO humanist their ports means our ports in the northi the GCs objected to this wording but the objection was rejected and the wording remains, so what are GCs going to do about it?

Cyprus Problem :: RE: Video speech of Talat

Kifeas — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:52:49 GMT

Author: Kifeas
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:52 am (GMT 3)

Viewpoint wrote:

NO humanist their ports means our ports in the northi the GCs objected to this wording but the objection was rejected and the wording remains, so what are GCs going to do about it?

General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

psycho — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:45:53 GMT

Author: psycho
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:45 am (GMT 3)

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Zorba wrote:

CBBB wrote:

The thing that I don't understand is why they didn't "find" Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?

I would have!

Go on then,nobody's stopping you

Oracle is hiding all the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Cyprus perhaps you could save yourself a trip to Iraq

I know how to make some in double quick time .... no need to stash

I suppose you know how to make recreational drugs as well

Knowing how to make something and actually doing so, are two different things ....

I'd just rather bake a cake

I'll leave you to carry on baking your cake - I'm off to bed, night night

Night night ...

BTW .... My cakes are my weapons of mass destruction, and have also been known to cause weird sensations upon consumption

Good Night
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General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

miltiades — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:44:13 GMT

Author: miltiades
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:44 am (GMT 3)

bill cobbett wrote:

Not of much interest to people I guess, but I'll be going to the US for the first time in August 2017. Finances permitting.

That's 9 years away Bill , you are a planner aren't you
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General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

bill cobbett — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:40:00 GMT

Author: bill cobbett
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:40 am (GMT 3)

Not of much interest to people I guess, but I'll be going to the US for the first time in August 2017. Finances permitting.
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General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

Oracle — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:39:49 GMT

Author: Oracle
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:39 am (GMT 3)

psycho wrote:

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Zorba wrote:

CBBB wrote:

The thing that I don't understand is why they didn't "find" Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?

I would have!

Go on then,nobody's stopping you

Oracle is hiding all the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Cyprus perhaps you could save yourself a trip to Iraq

I know how to make some in double quick time .... no need to stash

I suppose you know how to make recreational drugs as well

Knowing how to make something and actually doing so, are two different things ....

I'd just rather bake a cake

I'll leave you to carry on baking your cake - I'm off to bed, night night

Night night ...

BTW .... My cakes are my weapons of mass destruction, and have also been known to cause weird sensations upon consumption
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General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

psycho — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:37:06 GMT

Author: psycho
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:37 am (GMT 3)

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Zorba wrote:

CBBB wrote:

The thing that I don't understand is why they didn't "find" Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?

I would have!

Go on then,nobody's stopping you

Oracle is hiding all the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Cyprus perhaps you could save yourself a trip to Iraq

I know how to make some in double quick time .... no need to stash

I suppose you know how to make recreational drugs as well

Knowing how to make something and actually doing so, are two different things ....

I'd just rather bake a cake

I'll leave you to carry on baking your cake - I'm off to bed, night night
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General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

Oracle — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:33:52 GMT

Author: Oracle
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:33 am (GMT 3)

psycho wrote:

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Zorba wrote:

CBBB wrote:

The thing that I don't understand is why they didn't "find" Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?

I would have!

Go on then,nobody's stopping you

Oracle is hiding all the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Cyprus perhaps you could save yourself a trip to Iraq

I know how to make some in double quick time .... no need to stash

I suppose you know how to make recreational drugs as well

Knowing how to make something and actually doing so, are two different things ....

I'd just rather bake a cake
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General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

psycho — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:30:32 GMT

Author: psycho
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:30 am (GMT 3)

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Zorba wrote:

CBBB wrote:

The thing that I don't understand is why they didn't "find" Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?

I would have!

Go on then,nobody's stopping you

Oracle is hiding all the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Cyprus perhaps you could save yourself a trip to Iraq

I know how to make some in double quick time .... no need to stash

I suppose you know how to make recreational drugs as well
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General Chat :: RE: Stop bashing the Brits!

psycho — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:27:04 GMT

Author: psycho
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:27 am (GMT 3)

Oracle wrote:

I beg to differ ....

I'm usually found damping the raging inferno that sweeps through the Cyprus Forum in my absence.

So it's you that's wasting all the water in Cyprus
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General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

purdey — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:27:01 GMT

Author: purdey
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:27 am (GMT 3)

I hope that is a joke. Otherwise you may like to look over your shoulder.
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Cyprus Problem :: RE: GC Villages under Turkish ocupation

bill cobbett — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:26:48 GMT

Author: bill cobbett
Subject: Xeros
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:26 am (GMT 3)

Regretfully I am not familiar with the village of Xeros, so I googled find out about it and came up with this.

It's a personal web-site by an Angela Bowie, born in CY of US parents (as far as I can make out).

Here's an extract in which she recollects a childhood experience one evening back in 1964 near Xeros. Make of it what you will.

Trouble in Paradise

In 1963, life in Cyprus was shaken up. Unable to reach a political status quo due to a cumbersome constitution, the Greek and Turkish Cypriots were drawn into a bloody conflict. This conflict precipitated the militarization of the island: The Greek Cypriots formed a National Guard. In order to deter a Turkish invasion, an army division was sent from mainland Greece. The Turkish Cypriots formed territorial enclaves. Turkish officers from the mainland handled the defense of these enclaves.

In 1964, the Turks attacked the CMC jetty chasing a Cypriot naval vessel. The Turkish air force flew over Xeros made a second pass and strafed the Cypriot U boat. The jetty was used to load freighters with copper pyrites. They killed some of the sailors, a few escaped. I was out in the garden at the time and I watched the Turkish planes fly over from Morphou it looked like to me. When they turned and headed for the mill and the jetty I crouched down next to the mint bush at the back gate and watched until I heard my mother screaming at me, "Get inside. If they see you are a target" I didn't argue and ran inside.

I collected all the passports, money and jewelry took a box of cornflakes and hid them in the middle of the cereal. "Are you ready, Mom? Dad's going to be here in a minute, for us to leave? Remember he called about the evacuation?" My mother looked stunned. We had lived with it for so many years I accepted the fact that someone's patience had given out and ordered an attack. We knew it was the mainland Turks.

The company evacuated the overseas staff and their families to Skouriotissa. We fled in convoy to the mountains. For a week we knew nothing. There was no communication except the BBC world service. Then we went back to Xeros and life continued. I had a lot to tell my friends at boarding school when I got back after the summer. At Christmas time that year I was home for the holidays and so was Tom Bakewell. He invited me to go to his house in Mavrovouni. We had fun, worked on his ham radio until my folks were to pick me up around 7.30 or 8.00 p.m. They never came. Tom's folks said they had called, something had come up and they could not pick me up that evening. Alan offered to take me back home in the morning. That's when I heard what happened.

Around 6.30 p.m., it was already dark. As my parents approached the Turkish checkpoint in their Morris Minor, 3 shots rang out. The first pierced the windscreen of the car. Shattered glass covered my mother's head and shoulders and her face and knees. My father put his head back and a second shot took out the driver's side window and the third shot went wild. My father said he turned that car around so fast and put the pedal to the metal, but understand we are talking a Morris Minor here, they raced back to the safety of Xeros. There were rumors that Turkish officers from the mainland set this up to test the loyalty of the Turkish Cypriot recruits they were training. Their loyalty to Turkey wasn't that strong because my father said there was no way they could have missed if they had really wanted to hit him. The shots were close together and well positioned.

I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe somebody had tried and nearly succeeded to assassinate my parents. My mother was not in good shape, sedated at the CMC hospital. After that debacle, my Mom spent time in England. She was pretty upset that they had shot at her and dad. The next summer I went out with TJ. the American Ambassador's son. The American Embassy & the American Club were all in Nicosia.

From
http://www.bettyjack.com/angie/cyprus.html
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General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

Oracle — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:25:01 GMT

Author: Oracle
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:25 am (GMT 3)

psycho wrote:

Zorba wrote:

CBBB wrote:

The thing that I don't understand is why they didn't "find" Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?

I would have!

Go on then,nobody's stopping you

Oracle is hiding all the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Cyprus perhaps you could save yourself a trip to Iraq

I know how to make some in double quick time .... no need to stash
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General Chat :: RE: Stop bashing the Brits!

Oracle — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:23:00 GMT

Author: Oracle
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:23 am (GMT 3)

I beg to differ ....

I'm usually found damping the raging inferno that sweeps through the Cyprus Forum in my absence.
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General Chat :: RE: Stop bashing the Brits!

purdey — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:20:37 GMT

Author: purdey
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:20 am (GMT 3)

My god O that trumpet of yours get's some hammer.
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General Chat :: RE: Stop bashing the Brits!

Zorba — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:18:30 GMT

Author: Zorba
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:18 am (GMT 3)

psycho wrote:

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Oracle wrote:

psycho wrote:

Oracle wrote:

denizaksulu wrote:

Oracle wrote:

No one is above criticism so stop being so sensitive.

The Brits have had to cram into 2000 years (since our students the Romans introduced civilisation to Britain) what the Greeks have been perfecting for over 10,000 years .... so it's no wonder you have got some things wrong in haste ... with our help you will achieve the higher state .. until then it will be a rough ride, but we will not abandon you.

We will keep bashing until you are molded to acceptability.

As a matter of interest your Presidentship, where did you attain your high education. I dont expect an answer, just think about it.

Education .... at Greek school and my mother's knee .... I kid you not!

.... the rest was superfluous.

Your mother must have been English

Why?

Because you certainly would not have learnt to communicate in ENGLISH as well as you do

There are many Cypriots with a good grasp of English, who have never set foot in the UK. Equally, there are many people who have lived all their lives in the UK, and cannot string a sentence together, in any language.

My parents possessed the Hellenic ethos for education ... so thanks to them, I would have had opportunities for study wherever we lived.

I'm not however denying how much the British have achieved, rather reminding us, who ignited the flames to Western Civilisation ..... the Greeks!

You certainly ignite a lot of peoples flames on this forum.

CAll her Sparky

General Chat :: RE: Time To Leave Cyprus

psycho — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:17:41 GMT

Author: psycho
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:17 am (GMT 3)

Zorba wrote:

CBBB wrote:

The thing that I don't understand is why they didn't "find" Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?

I would have!

Go on then,nobody's stopping you

Oracle is hiding all the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Cyprus perhaps you could save yourself a trip to Iraq
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