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[Paphitis]

Thank you my friend

I hope you are right.

Zan, I am a lot younger than most of the members on this forum.

As you can see, there is a generational mentality difference between myself, other young Cypriots and the rest of the forum which is an older demographic.

The young generations are actually very astute. Many were educated in the US, UK and other countries. Therefore they have lived in other countries and have adopted a more international mindset.

It gets even better with the very young ones.

It's inevitable Zan. Resistance is futile.

I disagree the younger generations dont know the other side nor do they care to unite, the few that thought they were pro union took a big GC slap in the face during the EU elections, it provided them with first hand knowledge of how it would be uniting with GCs. 10 years of the borders being open and we are no closer now than we were when is was closed.

You would be surprised what they know!

And please don't talk to me again!

[Viewpoint]

Thank you my friend

I hope you are right.

Zan, I am a lot younger than most of the members on this forum.

As you can see, there is a generational mentality difference between myself, other young Cypriots and the rest of the forum which is an older demographic.

The young generations are actually very astute. Many were educated in the US, UK and other countries. Therefore they have lived in other countries and have adopted a more international mindset.

It gets even better with the very young ones.

It's inevitable Zan. Resistance is futile.

I disagree the younger generations dont know the other side nor do they care to unite, the few that thought they were pro union took a big GC slap in the face during the EU elections, it provided them with first hand knowledge of how it would be uniting with GCs. 10 years of the borders being open and we are no closer now than we were when is was closed.

You would be surprised what they know!

And please don't talk to me again!

An prime example, proving me right yet again.... my pleasure.

[repulsewarrior]

...as usual, you distort facts, vp.

in any case the EU elections are hardly a good example of "Greeks" out to suppress the rights of "Turks", except for the incompetent short-sightedness of a Bureaucracy that does not keep its registers up to date, and in affect was caught short with this unfortunate result. that it did not take any initiatives itself, toward the State, to correct this flaw, indicates a corruption over Principal, but to say that the action was organised willfully and with malice, against "you", is a lie. it was just laziness. you should know that because your regime is even worse.

your assumption on the youth and their culture, doubtless is as much a fabrication of your own desire, as it is having some truth, you cannot have a "Community" without some kind of ELAM boy hopping about on his own testosterone, you cannot Judge your youth so easily either. of course you work hard to stand up for the political existence of your "people", who ever they are though, if you are the representative of them, they are just as short-sighted. you may be Turcophone, you may be Grecophone, and you may seek to secure these distinct identities. but you must care very little, for Cyprus, if you are only willing to defend "yourself". securing this Liberty, you must be willing to defend each other's Liberty, or you must care very little for Freedom itself. without one Cyprus, I am measured as one displaced, who you would prefer would care no more. just the same, "you" have and remain nothing (and I don't have to be living on the island to tell you that), unless this fact is answered.

...the Occupation Movement comes to mind; speaking of Principal, speaking of Youth.

[zan]

...as usual, you distort facts, vp.

in any case the EU elections are hardly a good example of "Greeks" out to suppress the rights of "Turks", except for the incompetent short-sightedness of a Bureaucracy that does not keep its registers up to date, and in affect was caught short with this unfortunate result. that it did not take any initiatives itself, toward the State, to correct this flaw, indicates a corruption over Principal, but to say that the action was organised willfully and with malice, against "you", is a lie. it was just laziness. you should know that because your regime is even worse.

your assumption on the youth and their culture, doubtless is as much a fabrication of your own desire, as it is having some truth, you cannot have a "Community" without some kind of ELAM boy hopping about on his own testosterone, you cannot Judge your youth so easily either. of course you work hard to stand up for the political existence of your "people", who ever they are though, if you are the representative of them, they are just as short-sighted. you may be Turcophone, you may be Grecophone, and you may seek to secure these distinct identities. but you must care very little, for Cyprus, if you are only willing to defend "yourself". securing this Liberty, you must be willing to defend each other's Liberty, or you must care very little for Freedom itself. without one Cyprus, I am measured as one displaced, who you would prefer would care no more. just the same, "you" have and remain nothing (and I don't have to be living on the island to tell you that), unless this fact is answered.

...the Occupation Movement comes to mind; speaking of Principal, speaking of Youth.

I really can't believe that you try to excuse this with laziness RW If there is one thing on the mind of the " Cypriot" Beurocrats it has to be the Cyprus problem and therefore TCs. To say that they gave no thought to this before these elections is the down right lie. In order to be consistent with their talk of being genuinely interested in a settlement, then this should have been top priority.

Are the youth supposed to take anything positive from this? At worst they have to feel let down

[Paphitis]

Thank you my friend

I hope you are right.

Zan, I am a lot younger than most of the members on this forum.

As you can see, there is a generational mentality difference between myself, other young Cypriots and the rest of the forum which is an older demographic.

The young generations are actually very astute. Many were educated in the US, UK and other countries. Therefore they have lived in other countries and have adopted a more international mindset.

It gets even better with the very young ones.

It's inevitable Zan. Resistance is futile.

I disagree the younger generations dont know the other side nor do they care to unite, the few that thought they were pro union took a big GC slap in the face during the EU elections, it provided them with first hand knowledge of how it would be uniting with GCs. 10 years of the borders being open and we are no closer now than we were when is was closed.

You would be surprised what they know!

And please don't talk to me again!

An prime example, proving me right yet again.... my pleasure.

Of course it does in your own twisted mind!

Don't underestimate the youth. And yes, both sides are getting to know each other very well. And they have a lot more in common than with anyone from Greece or Turkey and they know it too!

They are tomorrow's leaders. The sooner the do away with the dinosaurs, such as yourself, the better off this island will be.

[repulsewarrior]

...as usual, you distort facts, vp.

in any case the EU elections are hardly a good example of "Greeks" out to suppress the rights of "Turks", except for the incompetent short-sightedness of a Bureaucracy that does not keep its registers up to date, and in affect was caught short with this unfortunate result. that it did not take any initiatives itself, toward the State, to correct this flaw, indicates a corruption over Principal, but to say that the action was organised willfully and with malice, against "you", is a lie. it was just laziness. you should know that because your regime is even worse.

your assumption on the youth and their culture, doubtless is as much a fabrication of your own desire, as it is having some truth, you cannot have a "Community" without some kind of ELAM boy hopping about on his own testosterone, you cannot Judge your youth so easily either. of course you work hard to stand up for the political existence of your "people", who ever they are though, if you are the representative of them, they are just as short-sighted. you may be Turcophone, you may be Grecophone, and you may seek to secure these distinct identities. but you must care very little, for Cyprus, if you are only willing to defend "yourself". securing this Liberty, you must be willing to defend each other's Liberty, or you must care very little for Freedom itself. without one Cyprus, I am measured as one displaced, who you would prefer would care no more. just the same, "you" have and remain nothing (and I don't have to be living on the island to tell you that), unless this fact is answered.

...the Occupation Movement comes to mind; speaking of Principal, speaking of Youth.

I really can't believe that you try to excuse this with laziness RW If there is one thing on the mind of the " Cypriot" Beurocrats it has to be the Cyprus problem and therefore TCs. To say that they gave no thought to this before these elections is the down right lie. In order to be consistent with their talk of being genuinely interested in a settlement, then this should have been top priority.

Are the youth supposed to take anything positive from this? At worst they have to feel let down

I never said they did not know, in fact the registrar defends himself by saying they followed the Letter of the Law, so it is clear, they were not willing to bother, they followed through on the Government wishes to allow Cypriots with a known address in the north to be automatically included in the electoral roles. but they did not follow the spirit of the reform because they failed to correct the roles they had in the south. indeed this is how this scandal fructified, due to ineptness, it would not surprise me that there are many more Greek Cypriots, as you call them, compared to Turkish Cypriots who are not on those electoral roles, because so little effort, and so little time, was made to improve their accuracy, think about it.

...zan, at this point wouldn't you agree that the same criticism can be directed to the regime in the north? why would the youth favour the system as it is today? why would they want to continue the blight that causes them to stagnate in an effort where it is not merit that propels their future forward, in any case there are other elections, we will all see if the next time more people will be registered to vote, and everyone who chooses to vote is registered correctly.

[zan]

...as usual, you distort facts, vp.

in any case the EU elections are hardly a good example of "Greeks" out to suppress the rights of "Turks", except for the incompetent short-sightedness of a Bureaucracy that does not keep its registers up to date, and in affect was caught short with this unfortunate result. that it did not take any initiatives itself, toward the State, to correct this flaw, indicates a corruption over Principal, but to say that the action was organised willfully and with malice, against "you", is a lie. it was just laziness. you should know that because your regime is even worse.

your assumption on the youth and their culture, doubtless is as much a fabrication of your own desire, as it is having some truth, you cannot have a "Community" without some kind of ELAM boy hopping about on his own testosterone, you cannot Judge your youth so easily either. of course you work hard to stand up for the political existence of your "people", who ever they are though, if you are the representative of them, they are just as short-sighted. you may be Turcophone, you may be Grecophone, and you may seek to secure these distinct identities. but you must care very little, for Cyprus, if you are only willing to defend "yourself". securing this Liberty, you must be willing to defend each other's Liberty, or you must care very little for Freedom itself. without one Cyprus, I am measured as one displaced, who you would prefer would care no more. just the same, "you" have and remain nothing (and I don't have to be living on the island to tell you that), unless this fact is answered.

...the Occupation Movement comes to mind; speaking of Principal, speaking of Youth.

I really can't believe that you try to excuse this with laziness RW If there is one thing on the mind of the " Cypriot" Beurocrats it has to be the Cyprus problem and therefore TCs. To say that they gave no thought to this before these elections is the down right lie. In order to be consistent with their talk of being genuinely interested in a settlement, then this should have been top priority.

Are the youth supposed to take anything positive from this? At worst they have to feel let down

I never said they did not know, in fact the registrar defends himself by saying they followed the Letter of the Law, so it is clear, they were not willing to bother, they followed through on the Government wishes to allow Cypriots with a known address in the north to be automatically included in the electoral roles. but they did not follow the spirit of the reform because they failed to correct the roles they had in the south. indeed this is how this scandal fructified, due to ineptness, it would not surprise me that there are many more Greek Cypriots, as you call them, compared to Turkish Cypriots who are not on those electoral roles, because so little effort, and so little time, was made to improve their accuracy, think about it.

...zan, at this point wouldn't you agree that the same criticism can be directed to the regime in the north? why would the youth favour the system as it is today? why would they want to continue the blight that causes them to stagnate in an effort where it is not merit that propels their future forward, in any case there are other elections, we will all see if the next time more people will be registered to vote, and everyone who chooses to vote is registered correctly.

If you know the position is sensitive would YOU not make an extra effort. Would you not think, from the highest level, that you had better make extra provisions so that danger of criticism or worse is avoided. The Cyprus situation is not new. If a " government" that says it speaks for all " Cypriots" cannot see the pitfalls then it is no government or it's actions are intentional, or even both.


You ask too much for a people to lose their identity and liberty for what you call their "future forward". I was born in 1960 into a Cyprus with equal partnership and it was taken away at the point of a gun. I can only allow that partnership to be dissolved through discussion, peaceful voting and mutual respect. You don't seem to understand what that means.

[repulsewarrior]

...I feel the same way, but I was born in the mid fifties, and I do/did not turn my back on the Republic. I recognise that there is one Flag, that flies higher, I don't fight other Cypriots and judge them by their being "Greek" or "Turk", I fight the "Greek" and the "Turkish" in us; is that wrong?

...I wonder, are you for the slaughter of ambelopoulia, because it is the tradition in Cyprus; I don't think so. so, I ask, what is wrong with change, what is wrong with bettering ourselves?

...my identity is with the land, before it was that we were divided as Muslim or not, and then Turkish, or not, and now supposedly for a Republic, and the rest of it which can only be described as an illegal occupation by the whole world except one country. obviously, I am just (I remain) chattel, like before it came to mind that as Human beings, we, the dwellers connected to this land had any Dignity. you cannot ignore the word Cypriot, and its meaning, I happen to be Greek, you happen to be Turkish, it was never important in my village, and it should not be important today because we can cooperate, and we can respect each other, more importantly we have this chance to Free ourselves from subjugation, and the mythic reality of a "motherland" that is not the earth between our feet, this is the gift given to us by Mankind, from the Modern Age, we should demonstrate our gratitude, instead I am one of few who will stand up for Cyprus, a dream world as is said, that never had a chance because some "Greeks" and some "Turks" cannot stand the ideas that will see the demise of their Agenda.

zan, wouldn't you say that I personally make the extra effort? I am not sure, wouldn't you say we are on the same side?

[zan]

...I feel the same way, but I was born in the mid fifties, and I do/did not turn my back on the Republic. I recognise that there is one Flag, that flies higher, I don't fight other Cypriots and judge them by their being "Greek" or "Turk", I fight the "Greek" and the "Turkish" in us; is that wrong?

...I wonder, are you for the slaughter of ambelopoulia, because it is the tradition in Cyprus; I don't think so. so, I ask, what is wrong with change, what is wrong with bettering ourselves?

...my identity is with the land, before it was that we were divided as Muslim or not, and then Turkish, or not, and now supposedly for a Republic, and the rest of it which can only be described as an illegal occupation by the whole world except one country. obviously, I am just (I remain) chattel, like before it came to mind that as Human beings, we, the dwellers connected to this land had any Dignity. you cannot ignore the word Cypriot, and its meaning, I happen to be Greek, you happen to be Turkish, it was never important in my village, and it should not be important today because we can cooperate, and we can respect each other, more importantly we have this chance to Free ourselves from subjugation, and the mythic reality of a "motherland" that is not the earth between our feet, this is the gift given to us by Mankind, from the Modern Age, we should demonstrate our gratitude, instead I am one of few who will stand up for Cyprus, a dream world as is said, that never had a chance because some "Greeks" and some "Turks" cannot stand the ideas that will see the demise of their Agenda.

zan, wouldn't you say that I personally make the extra effort? I am not sure, wouldn't you say we are on the same side?

What have you done to promote your TC brothers RW. Have you walked the streets with a banner? Have you protested the lack of representation to the "RoC". Have you demanded our return to government? I would say no? No? All you do is moan about occupation for those we see as saviours. Those that have stayed with us in spite of the world, for whatever reason. Have you moaned about the years of Greek education that taught " the only good Turk is a dead Turk"? You wax on about a flag and a dream that never happened. All I see is the " child catcher" with a disguised wagon. Soft lyrical words that I am not sure I fully understand that sound menacing. Sorry if you see yourself as making an extra effort but I hear nothing to sooth me. Just another version of the same GC rhetoric designed to fool me and the world. Stop talking of "occupation" and realise the reasons. Make the effort not only to convince me but your own intransigent government and then we can truly be on the same side.

[repulsewarrior]

...what, let's not have good government? let's give up on our lives because they seem so measly, who cares if we are labelled "Greek", and "Turk" without the respect of ever being a Cypriot? I won't. have I written my own representations, to the government; I do, regularly, and I recommend you do the same. have I done anything to defend a TC brother, that depends on what you call TC, ask Kiks. There is a Flag zan, it is ours, and for it to have any value we must seek to make it an option for those of us who would rather it, than the Greek Flag, or a Turkish Flag, as an identity worth defending.

...sorry zan, I never understood the logic of taking a side against "Greeks" by being "Turkish" (or vice versa), I think you can do just as much harm to "them" by being Cypriot, why would anyone want to be "Turkish" (or "Greek" for that matter)?