Sharing the Shame
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| Bananiot |
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In 1919, when Greece, encouraged by France among others, invaded Asia Minor, level-headed Greek people with rational thought, who were of course labelled as traitors at the time were asking: "Do you know what you are doing? Do you realise what you are playing with?"
When the inevidable happened and disaster struck there was a surge of soul searching among Greek people and it was easy to convlude that the country fell victim to the unrepented patriots of the pavements who in 1897 did exactly the same thing and as a result the Turkish army came to the outskirts of Athens.
Calling someone you disagree with, a traitor, is a characteristic of the lower forms of life. It is a vestigial remnant of the barbaric culture that has played havoc with our lives for so long. As long as people like ChomskyFan (and His Excellency) find people to cheer them on everytime they cry "traitor" our society will rermain sick and vulnerable to all malices |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:37 pm |
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| ChomskyFan |
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| Bananiot wrote: |
In 1919, when Greece, encouraged by France among others, invaded Asia Minor, level-headed Greek people with rational thought, who were of course labelled as traitors at the time were asking: "Do you know what you are doing? Do you realise what you are playing with?"
When the inevidable happened and disaster struck there was a surge of soul searching among Greek people and it was easy to convlude that the country fell victim to the unrepented patriots of the pavements who in 1897 did exactly the same thing and as a result the Turkish army came to the outskirts of Athens.
Calling someone you disagree with, a traitor, is a characteristic of the lower forms of life. It is a vestigial remnant of the barbaric culture that has played havoc with our lives for so long. As long as people like ChomskyFan (and His Excellency) find people to cheer them on everytime they cry "traitor" our society will rermain sick and vulnerable to all malices |
Bananiot, the Minor Asia Catastrophe happened because of the complete incompetence of the Generals and Politicians in pushing ahead for Ankara before the Supply Lines were fixed in place properly. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:50 pm |
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That is not my point but since you mentioned it the Greek army had to pursue the Turkish army which was reorganising and getting ready to attack. All successes of the Greeks were against the irregulars and as long as the Turkish army remained undefeated there was no way hostilities would cease.
By the way, Venizelos at the time had been kicked out, by the shouting patriots. The king who was pro German assumed controlled and Greece lost all her allies. The writing was on the wall.
Here in Cyprus we now have very few allies. Those with political and military clout have diserted us. This is a very scary situation to be in ... |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:32 pm |
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| magikthrill |
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| Bananiot wrote: |
Here in Cyprus we now have very few allies. Those with political and military clout have diserted us. This is a very scary situation to be in ... |
i see how it can be scary if youre selling stolen property in the north with other real estate thieves to foreigners. id be shitting bricks too if i was in your situation. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:16 pm |
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| ChomskyFan wrote: |
| Bananiot, the Minor Asia Catastrophe happened because of the complete incompetence of the Generals and Politicians in pushing ahead for Ankara before the Supply Lines were fixed in place properly. |
Correction, it happened because of Greek attempts at expansionism, taking advantage of the perceived weakness of her neighbour. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:17 pm |
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| cannedmoose wrote: |
| ChomskyFan wrote: |
| Bananiot, the Minor Asia Catastrophe happened because of the complete incompetence of the Generals and Politicians in pushing ahead for Ankara before the Supply Lines were fixed in place properly. |
Correction, it happened because of Greek attempts at expansionism, taking advantage of the perceived weakness of her neighbour. |
That's how Turkey itself happened. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:54 pm |
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What expantionism, that was all Greek speaking lands before the Ottomans anyway.
Chomsky fan is right, expantionism is how Turkey was created. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:58 pm |
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| It is how all country created, and all of us are not from middle asia, we are also locals of country, asimilated by turks. So I think we have same "if not more" claim at this land than greeks. So you tried to take our land. But what you took is different. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:01 pm |
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| What about the Greeks that were 'locals' of your country, way before any Turk came into existence, to which you kicked out or murdered? |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:04 pm |
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| Murtaza |
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when I said we are also locals, this include greeks and other people who lived this land before greeks.
And for kick outing greeks, It was made by greece too, they kick out turks and converted greeks too. Main do we look like middle asian? |
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