Turkey closer to joining EU, blames delays on Cyprus
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| Alpeis |
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| Have you ever felt the idea that Turkey is not willing to leave Cyprus and also has no intent in entering EU. It's so obvious that Cyprus cannot veto the membership of Turkey to EU unless France and Germany supports it. However, they also don't want to see Turkey as a full member. Since the religious government of Turkey is well aware of these facts they turned their face to the east and since 2000s they have been improving relations with neighboring Muslim countries... |
Have you ever thing that EU declare Turkey as unwelcomed canditate in 10-15 years and the story between West/Turkey continue from where is stoped in 19th century?
What the generals can not understand is that Ottoman empire was an enemy of the civilized Europe and if they continue to behave like Ottomans in their political decisions they will face the same result.If you consider (as generals do) that Turkey is the most important thing for EU and its future , you/they have lost the way of Europeans thinking. |
Frankly, I will not get surprised if one day in close future Turkey has a similar regime to Iran's. I don't care who loses what, I am just considering my own ass since people like me are a minority in Turkey. We don't have a say anymore... |
The problem for Turkish citizens is that, in order their country do not became as you said like Iran , they have to support the Generals (this is one point we can not easily understand in Greece/Cyprus) but at the same time the generals, in their efforts to safeguard the political system can also guide the country to the wrong direction.
Big dellima , complecated country. The reason i believe is that Attaturk's changes in population life style by force have not yet be fully part of the citizens way of thinking.(particularly in Anatolia and between the big teams of Anatolians moved to Istanbul and West waterfronts during the last 15-10 years. |
Actually, Ataturk has successfully initiated the change but the followers were not capable of bringing it forward. Anyways, as to supporting generals, it has absolutely nothing to do with Generals. Majority of the community supports AKP, and that's how AKP is still number one party after another election. Generals have to show (are already showing) respect to democracy, which perfectly prevails in our country... |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:28 pm |
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| ahristos wrote: |
what have to do turks with eu..
90%of TURKEYS LAND IS ASIA |
You must be thankful to Turkey, it is a buffer zone for Europe. We have been living next to hell where the lives are cheaper than bullets... |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:05 pm |
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| Alpeis wrote: |
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what have to do turks with eu..
90%of TURKEYS LAND IS ASIA |
You must be thankful to Turkey, it is a buffer zone for Europe. We have been living next to hell where the lives are cheaper than bullets... |
Sometimes hell is better than genocides.!!! |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:10 pm |
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| Alpeis wrote: |
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| Alpeis wrote: |
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| Have you ever felt the idea that Turkey is not willing to leave Cyprus and also has no intent in entering EU. It's so obvious that Cyprus cannot veto the membership of Turkey to EU unless France and Germany supports it. However, they also don't want to see Turkey as a full member. Since the religious government of Turkey is well aware of these facts they turned their face to the east and since 2000s they have been improving relations with neighboring Muslim countries... |
Have you ever thing that EU declare Turkey as unwelcomed canditate in 10-15 years and the story between West/Turkey continue from where is stoped in 19th century?
What the generals can not understand is that Ottoman empire was an enemy of the civilized Europe and if they continue to behave like Ottomans in their political decisions they will face the same result.If you consider (as generals do) that Turkey is the most important thing for EU and its future , you/they have lost the way of Europeans thinking. |
Frankly, I will not get surprised if one day in close future Turkey has a similar regime to Iran's. I don't care who loses what, I am just considering my own ass since people like me are a minority in Turkey. We don't have a say anymore... |
The problem for Turkish citizens is that, in order their country do not became as you said like Iran , they have to support the Generals (this is one point we can not easily understand in Greece/Cyprus) but at the same time the generals, in their efforts to safeguard the political system can also guide the country to the wrong direction.
Big dellima , complecated country. The reason i believe is that Attaturk's changes in population life style by force have not yet be fully part of the citizens way of thinking.(particularly in Anatolia and between the big teams of Anatolians moved to Istanbul and West waterfronts during the last 15-10 years. |
Actually, Ataturk has successfully initiated the change but the followers were not capable of bringing it forward. Anyways, as to supporting generals, it has absolutely nothing to do with Generals. Majority of the community supports AKP, and that's how AKP is still number one party after another election. Generals have to show (are already showing) respect to democracy, which perfectly prevails in our country... |
Have you asked the almoast 20 million Turks from Istanbul (born there) and nearby cities of West waterfront?of course 60 million Anatolians count much more votes.My personal opinion is that ,the most educated (west style) Turks ,are supporting generals than Ertogan from the fear of an islamic state.If you speak to a citizen (born) of Istanbul about Anatolians he is telling you that it would be better to not exist (the Anatolian). |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:10 pm |
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I don't support coups although I don't support the government. Perhaps I have the very opposite views of AKP's but whatever the public wants has to be practiced...The rest will be my individual problem and I myself will handle it  |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:11 pm |
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| EPSILON wrote: |
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| ahristos wrote: |
what have to do turks with eu..
90%of TURKEYS LAND IS ASIA |
You must be thankful to Turkey, it is a buffer zone for Europe. We have been living next to hell where the lives are cheaper than bullets... |
Sometimes hell is better than genocides.!!! |
When you called the word of Genocides you meant this, right?! |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:40 am |
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| akiner wrote: |
| EPSILON wrote: |
| Alpeis wrote: |
| ahristos wrote: |
what have to do turks with eu..
90%of TURKEYS LAND IS ASIA |
You must be thankful to Turkey, it is a buffer zone for Europe. We have been living next to hell where the lives are cheaper than bullets... |
Sometimes hell is better than genocides.!!! |
When you called the word of Genocides you meant this, right?! |
I know nothing about it, actually never heard of it Besides, I don't care what happened in Ottoman era, it was a hundred years ago. It's hard to understand why you people are so interested in history especially Ottomans.
My ancestors have been forced to leave Greece around the same period. However I see no point to prove or mention the atrocities practiced on us by Greeks. How happy I am Turks welcomed us at that time. Thanks to Greece I even don't know my own language. This doesn't fill inside me with hate towards Greeks. Actually I have never practiced the feeling of "hate" since I was born...
Enjoy the life, it's offered only once |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:44 am |
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| akiner wrote: |
| EPSILON wrote: |
| Alpeis wrote: |
| ahristos wrote: |
what have to do turks with eu..
90%of TURKEYS LAND IS ASIA |
You must be thankful to Turkey, it is a buffer zone for Europe. We have been living next to hell where the lives are cheaper than bullets... |
Sometimes hell is better than genocides.!!! |
When you called the word of Genocides you meant this, right?! |
Didn't Ataturk destroy all those Ottomans? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:05 pm |
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| Paphitis wrote: |
| Alpeis wrote: |
| Have you ever felt the idea that Turkey is not willing to leave Cyprus and also has no intent in entering EU. It's so obvious that Cyprus cannot veto the membership of Turkey to EU unless France and Germany supports it. However, they also don't want to see Turkey as a full member. Since the religious government of Turkey is well aware of these facts they turned their face to the east and since 2000s they have been improving relations with neighboring Muslim countries... |
That's not what ERDOGAN has been saying.
Here, straight from the horse's mouth.....
Turkey says only full EU membership acceptable
ATHENS (Reuters) - Turkey will accept nothing less than full European Union membership, its EU affairs minister said in an interview published on Sunday, following government efforts in Brussels last week to revive its drive to join.
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If I were you, I would rather give a serious consideration to what Alpeis has pointed out here.
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| That's not what ERDOGAN has been saying. |
So when a politician says something he always means business ?? Considering the root words of politics (Poly=multiple, Tic=A local and habitual convulsive motion of facial muscles) accordingly politics could as well be interpreted as multi-faced. That should signal something even to you.
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Here, straight from the horse's mouth.....
Turkey says only full EU membership acceptable |
The reason why horse neighs that way, couldn’t it be simply manoeuvering by Erdogan ? For instance, knowing that such an EU membership is not likely to happen, Erdogan wants to play hero who bravely fights a loosing battle in front of his electorate, so when the talks come to a standstill for any reason whatsoever (not only because of Cyprob), he will have an excuse to present for turning away from EU.
Let me further elaborate:
1) Turkish foreign policy is run by Washington not by Brussels; that much is well known everywhere, except maybe here in CF.
2 The good ol’ USA has been deliberately supporting the pro-islamist AKP government in order to realize long-term goals: a) establishment of a separate Kurdistan republic on Turkish soil thus creating a sort of a buffer zone against Iran as well as against arab countries in the region. b) closer relations with Armenia (indirectly meaning recognition of A.G). This way, Uncle Sam could have a closer access to Caucasus area as well, by way of Armenia after the closed border is opened. Since TSK (army) would fervently oppose to such a scheme, Uncle Sam needed a compatible and obedient ally to fulfill his goal and found it :Islamists.
3) Now, if such a Kurdish area is established and A.G is recognized prior to the solution of Cyprob, this is certain to create strong reaction in nationalist circles and TSK. In this case, in order to appease them, the USA and its mild-islamist muppet, AKP, may have to play rough regarding CyProb issue.
4) If, on the other hand, CyProb is solved first, it may be stemming similar reactions in same circles, though at a lesser intensity. In this case, the EU will supposedly speed up talks and open a few more chapters to gain time, however, the accession talks-one way or another- will come to a stall again since both Sarkozy and Merkel, leaders of two pillars of EU have both made it clear that Turkey will never be EU member. Consequently, nationalists and TSK may then skillfully manipulate the public frustration already increasing due to Turkey’s ailing economy. Such a possibility however, may go against the interests of Uncle Sam again.
5) At the end of the day, I think that the issue may fast become a conflict of interests between E.U- U.S.A. I know some of you guys believe that the US supports Turkey in her EU accession talks. "There is nothing more revitalizing than believing and dreaming" says a turkish expression.Well, keep believing then !
Of course mine is simply a scenario, more likely a theory, however, seeing some leading indicators, I have some reasons to believe in my theory !
I hope to discuss my humble issue with my southern brothers and the chief of staff of Australian Air Forces in a separate thread.
Yia Sas κύριοι και κυρίες ! |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:25 pm |
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all they have to do is remove their troops and allow a solution in cyprus but they refuse to.. and then they complain that cyprus has no solution while they occupy it.. its so stupid the only people they have to blame is themselvs.. of course the cyprus problem is a big problem for them joining eu but they are the ones causing the cyprus problem and refusing to allow a solution that s acceptable to both sides...
turkey is such hypopcrites they are so stupid.. vlakes |
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