Cypriots Yes. Greeks, Turks, Armenians, etc, NO!
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| So Bananiot, how do we atone for our past sins? How should others atone for theirs? |
What kind of a question is this Nikitas. Do you think the rules of engagement in a child's game apply here? Do you think that we can say "oops, we are sorry, won't do it again" and start from the beginning? Of course you do not mean this Nikitas.
My involvement in this thead has two aims. First to show the ignorance of some forumers that claim the even the EOKA struggle was not for enosis and it was only for independence and secondly to show that in politics, all wrong decisions, actions etc are paid here and then if they backfire even more so if you were a minnow that thought was a lion. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:53 pm |
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But Bananiot, there must be an end to the payment. A pound of flesh is a pound, it cannot become a hundredweight. Even in cases of outrageous provocation the response must be commensurate and reasonable.
Do you think that what the Cypriots suffered in 1974 was comensurate to their sin of presumption in thinking that they were lions when they were minnows?
And coming to today, when the GC side has made its historic compromises and has not only rejected Enosis but is willing to legalise partition within the parameters of this BBF thing, the ante is upped to unresonable levels. In the end we must ask when we will get to the point when the othr side will say, yes, that is enough. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:13 pm |
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This thread stinks.
A similar thread title written in 1930s Germany may have read:
"Blonde-haired, blue-eyed Germans - Yes. Jews, gypsies, homosexuals - NO".
Should all non-Cypriots wear an insignia to indicate our 'non-Cypriotness'? As happened for the Jews in Nazi Germany.....
Agree that Cyprus should celebrate Independence, but Cyprus is in the EU, and Europe is a melting pot of peoples and cultures..........
Cypriot patriotism - Yes. Cypriot nationalism - NO! |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:16 pm |
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It is a cruel world isn't it Nikitas? I agree we paid a hefty price in 1974 but what we are doing now is trying, at best, to salvage as much as possible. Our priority should be to get rid of the Turkish army and the Turkish guarantees. This can only be achieved through a mutually agreed solution. Otherwise, not just the army but Turkey will be in Cyprus forever. We can only opt for BBF and this is supported by the major political parties in our community. I have not heard of anything else, even Koutsou who supported a return to the 1960 constitution has not remembered this for a while now.
As I said in the previous post, tactics are very important to both sides at the moment it seems and I honestly expect the Turkish side to fall back to its Annan Plan red lines in due course. Our side will find the going very tough, then. |
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| Talisker wrote: |
This thread stinks.
A similar thread title written in 1930s Germany may have read:
"Blonde-haired, blue-eyed Germans - Yes. Jews, gypsies, homosexuals - NO".
Should all non-Cypriots wear an insignia to indicate our 'non-Cypriotness'? As happened for the Jews in Nazi Germany.....
Agree that Cyprus should celebrate Independence, but Cyprus is in the EU, and Europe is a melting pot of peoples and cultures..........
Cypriot patriotism - Yes. Cypriot nationalism - NO! |
Forgive me , but I think I ought to correct you here. Cypriot identity and Cypriot acceptance rather than Greek , Turkish , Armenian or other , is not by any means nationalistic fervour or "patriotism. It is purely a call of awakening to all Cypriots that the ONLY and UNIQUE bond that binds our people together and provides a ground that is common to all is the recognition of our common motherland , the island of Cyprus , you can not possibly draw comparisons with Nazi Germany for god sake !! |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:27 pm |
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| unfortunately th maority of Turks o Cyprus wnt portition nd exclusiin based on nothing more thn discrimination |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:05 pm |
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| miltiades wrote: |
| Talisker wrote: |
This thread stinks.
A similar thread title written in 1930s Germany may have read:
"Blonde-haired, blue-eyed Germans - Yes. Jews, gypsies, homosexuals - NO".
Should all non-Cypriots wear an insignia to indicate our 'non-Cypriotness'? As happened for the Jews in Nazi Germany.....
Agree that Cyprus should celebrate Independence, but Cyprus is in the EU, and Europe is a melting pot of peoples and cultures..........
Cypriot patriotism - Yes. Cypriot nationalism - NO! |
Forgive me , but I think I ought to correct you here. Cypriot identity and Cypriot acceptance rather than Greek , Turkish , Armenian or other , is not by any means nationalistic fervour or "patriotism. It is purely a call of awakening to all Cypriots that the ONLY and UNIQUE bond that binds our people together and provides a ground that is common to all is the recognition of our common motherland , the island of Cyprus , you can not possibly draw comparisons with Nazi Germany for god sake !! |
Miltiades, I hope and trust that Cyprus won't slip down the slope towards fascist nationalism, but thread titles like this one should not be allowed to go unchallenged, and that may require a warning using comparisons drawn from history - hence my mentioning of the possible parallel thread title from 1930s Germany. I actually don't agree with the sentiments behind the thread - look at history and the (mainland) Greeks and Greek-Cypriots are inextricably linked, as are the (mainland) Turks and Turkish-Cypriots (I know this has been debated endlessly on this forum, and have no intention on starting this up again, this is my opinion based on my independent reading and understanding).
As for Cypriot celebration of independence 48 years ago, fair enough, but only 58 years ago Cypriots voted for unity with Greece! If that had happened then Cyprus would be just another Greek island. So, let's not get too passionate about Cypriot nationalism - they were willing to give any prospect of that up 58 years ago (albeit, supposedly to make a point to the Brits, but playing political games with national identity can backfire, and the Turks and TCs have used the 1950 plebiscite against the GCs ever since).
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Talisker |
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| Re: Cypriots Yes. Greeks, Turks, Armenians, etc, NO! | |
| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:17 pm |
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| Limassolean wrote: |
Cyrpus Independence Day was adopted as the 1st October 48 years ago However, many Cyrpiots still do not understand the Importance or the meaning of what was agreed and achieved-by the creation of this new nation with the support of the rest of the world.
That this ought to be an independent state that does not and should not belong to any other nation other than the Cypriots. |
When did the above belief ferment itself? obviously not during lets gift Cyprus to Greece with or without its TC population or is this the newest ploy from the GCs after 1974 to effect osmosis and promote well we are all Cypriots so there are no minorities or majorities let the whole island become a country where GCs can indirectly rule as they wish. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:21 pm |
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| Bananiot wrote: |
Very good, but it is worth noting how we managed to come to this predicament. This is a resolution passed unanimously by the Cyprus Parliament in July 1967.
Παρά τις οιασδήποτε αντιξόους περιστάσεις, δεν θα αναστείλει τον νυν διαξαγόμενον μετά της ομοθύμου συμπαραστάσεως ολοκλήρου του Πανελληνίου αγώνα του, μέχρις ότου ο αγών αυτός ευοδοθεί διά της άνευ ενδιαμέσου τινός σταθμού ΕΝΩΣΕΟΣ ανιαίας και ολοκλήρου της Κύπρου μετά της μητρός πατρίδας.
Would Oracle be kind enough to translate the above? |
Sorry legal lingo is not my forte and it makes little sense to me, so here is a quick go at a mostly paraphrasing attempt with little desire to make sense of it since it's some out of context quote....
Despite whatever unfavourable circumstances, fragmentation will not be allowed after the unanimous support of the entire Pan-Hellenic struggle, until this struggle succeeds within the intermediary of the station of joining the incurable entirety of Cyprus towards the motherly heartland. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:46 pm |
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Bananiot said:
"I honestly expect the Turkish side to fall back to its Annan Plan red lines in due course"
If the Annan plan is tempered with EU input and a saner territorial arrangement, and we deal with the guarantees issue then we are not that far apart. But the latest demands of separate jurisdiction in almost every sphere point to another direction. |
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