Time to Terminate Talat .....
 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:42 pm |
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| Bananiot |
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| Can you show me a political analysis by a serious organisation that predicts that Turkey will be neutralised in the near future? And, your obsession to see Turkey eradicated makes you 10 times as dangerous as the most fanatic Turkish generals. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:51 pm |
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| Get Real! |
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| Bananiot wrote: |
| Can you show me a political analysis by a serious organisation that predicts that Turkey will be neutralised in the near future? And, your obsession to see Turkey eradicated makes you 10 times as dangerous as the most fanatic Turkish generals. |
The word “neutralize” does not mean to destroy or exterminate as you seem to think. It simply means to make neutral, defuse, deactivate, counteract, etc, WITH RESPECTS TO CYPRUS, which is what should’ve happened a long time ago had UN resolutions been implemented by the international community. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:55 pm |
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| Right, just like turning off the light ... |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:20 pm |
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| humanist wrote: |
VP .... you keep remind me that Talat is not to represent me. I know he is not. That does not change the fact that a man who cannot see evry human being as equal is not leader.
end of story.
you have the right to vbelieve what you wish. I caccept that but I alo have my own percetpitons of what a charismatic leader is like and talat doesn't cut it. Whereas once again Christofias not has only shown he respects the TC community in absolut but that he repespects your representative. on a personal level as well as the political
He could have chosen to say screw you turk am not coming to any wedding,, he didn't. He could have said fuck you turk am the president of this nation called Cyprus and I am going to talk at PACE your not speaking he chose to be an inclussive leader for all and allowed the vice president if he chooses to become that to talk at PACE.
say what you will but you cannot change the truth |
You still dont get it do you, President Talat is not on your side, he plays for the other team so of course he will try to win for his team which are the TCs, unlike yours who claims to be on our side but is not kidding anyone but you guys, hes always trying to kick the ball in our goal.
How can he stop President Talat from talking he is ,the other side of the negotiating structure, without him the whole process collapses, we dont ask that you like him only that you take time to understand his concerns and fears with regards to unificiation.
How do you think your leader woudl have been accepted if he tried to gag President Talat, hardly fit in with the EU philosphy on free speach. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:23 pm |
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| DT. wrote: |
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I think Christofias has shown to be a true Statesman and has honoured all Cypriots in his attempts thus far to unite his people. Talat on the other hand whether unwilling or unable still continues to talk about partition and has not shown any initiative to be a vice president for all Cypriots. His attitude towards Christofias' actions to invite to the Council of Europe shows nothing but inability to be a leader.
Once again the TC's deserve what they get. They voted him in and if they want to catch up to the rest of Cyprus they need to vote him out.
I certainly don't have any confidence that the man can unify anything and I certainly don't want him representing me on any level. And yes as halil, VP and Zan have repeaetdly reminding me he is not there to represent me because I have a greek speaking heritage a true leader does not discriminate.
He will soon need to make a decision though be a slave to Turkey for another 34 years or join with Christofias to rid the Turks from Cyprus and therefore enabling all Cypriots and more specifically his community to develop and thrive in all domains of Cypriot life, econmoinc, cultural, social and political.
A united Cyprus cannot afford to have greek and Turkish speaking political parties this time they need to get it right. I certainly don't want to see future Cypriots going through another 63 and 74 because of current incompetence primarily evident on the TC side. |
When has President Talat or in fact any TC claimed to represent any GCs or the south? you did not elect him so how can he claim such a right. You are the ones who claim to represent the whole island including the TCs for political gain although we did not elect your leader we didn't give him any mandate to speak on our behalf. President Talat had the opportunity to put forward the position from which he is trying to negotiate and asked for equality of the 2 sides not allowing only one sides voice to be heard, he was right in everything he had to say and we support him 100%. Be careful of what you wish for a replacement for President Talat would be far worse and would not even give the GCs the time of day let alone start a negotiations process. |
Your community was not able to elect the president of the republic in 1960 either. Doesn't mean you didn't see him as your president. |
We elected the vice president who had certain powers to veto the GC president if there was a dispute protecting our rights, but of course this was something you did not want as it did not give you the free hand you longed for to turn Cyprus into a Greek island. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:33 am |
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"the other team" is not that good an analogy, there is no winner and one loser in this game. even in your sense vp, you should be saying there is a cypriot side, a turcophone side, and a grecophone side. ( i dare not say Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriots to simplify the issue because there are others like TC's and GC's). christofias plays these two roles, talat as yet remains a leader who has not made this choice.
by definition, we are bicommunal.
...if you cannot have what you want VP (partition), so long as the GC's do not get what they want (a single unitary state), again, i ask you,
enclaves? |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:09 am |
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| Viewpoint wrote: |
| We elected the vice president who had certain powers to veto the GC president if there was a dispute protecting our rights, but of course this was something you did not want as it did not give you the free hand you longed for to turn Cyprus into a Greek island. |
You personally think any kind of agreement would retain this safeguard? |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:31 am |
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| utu, in my cyprus it would be possible to have a Turkish Cypriot President; his/her vice president would have this veto. and it would be never used, i hope, as a safeguard to prevent the State from any Government extreme that may threaten. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:39 am |
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"You still dont get it do you, President Talat is not on your side"
Well VP, tell us on whose side he will be when it is his turn to preside over the whole of Cyprus and all Cypriots by virtue of the rotating presidency?
talking in terms of teams etc, sports language, is an allusion to an adversarial process, not a cooperative one. Not the way to build partnerships, which is what we are told the two leaders are doing. Maybe they are not, who knows. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:13 am |
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| Nikitas, Talat may be with Turkey, and Turkey aims to boost its own esteem internationally; so relax, the world does not like bullies. But Talat has his legacy to think about, being a Cypriot do not doubt that in the end he is Cypriot. The idea of three governments; two levels of Government, may be the offer the parties have already agreed to. this round of negociations will not end disappointingly even without agreement therefore. there will be this new fundemental which will become their focus, and a new round of negociations will demand the very best from them to this end. |
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